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 Post subject: Re: Just bought a Cessna 414 - with pictures
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Nice C414 Doug,

Are you having it C registered?

I have to say I sat in a nice C421C last month, what a nice cabin.
I ran when the owner talked about 45 gph cruise fuel flow.

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 Post subject: Re: Just bought a Cessna 414 - with pictures
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I called Simcom and they use a 421 as their mock up so the fuel valves are much different than a 414. FlightSafety got out of the twin Cessna training so I went with RTC. They use a 340 as their mockup for 414 training, the 340 is very similar to a 414.

I doubt it is a motion sim but I can report back. RTC was considerable less expensive than Simcom.

Thanks for your thoughts

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 Post subject: Re: Just bought a Cessna 414 - with pictures
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Nice C414 Doug,

Are you having it C registered?

I have to say I sat in a nice C421C last month, what a nice cabin.
I ran when the owner talked about 45 gph cruise fuel flow.


Thanks Marc
Yeah going to reserve a registration tomorrow. The 421C are a great plane, just over my budget and my mechanic doesn't care for the geared engines. Thanks for making me feel better about a 37 gph cruise fuel flow. :woot:

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 Post subject: Re: Just bought a Cessna 414 - with pictures
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I knew some (non-A's) that had cracking aft of the firewalls under the nacelles. I don't remember, is there a max landing weight on the 414? Remember to burn 1.5 hrs on the mains before switching to the AUX tanks. Also, watch the speed on the landing lights. 1) the motors are $$$$, 2) If you trip the breaker (too much wind resistance-extension) then you lost the shuttle pump, too.

enjoy!


Fuel pumps connected to the landing light circuits.... what dummy thought that one up?


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 Post subject: Re: Just bought a Cessna 414 - with pictures
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Take your pick DOUG, CFIDT, CFKDT or CFNDT.

http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ ... lemark.asp

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 Post subject: Re: Just bought a Cessna 414 - with pictures
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Take your pick DOUG, CFIDT, CFKDT or CFNDT.

http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ ... lemark.asp


I was actually leaning toward C-GZTC (Twin Cessna) as I don't like foxtrots. The current reg ends with NW so if its way cheaper (as they are painted) I may keep the NW and go with something like CGUNW.
What did you do on your P-Baron?

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 Post subject: Re: Just bought a Cessna 414 - with pictures
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I dont like Foxtrot either, its a B58 Baron, C-GEMB.
I added stickers on top of the US registry. Cheaper than paint.

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 Post subject: Re: Just bought a Cessna 414 - with pictures
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I dont like Foxtrot either, its a B58 Baron, C-GEMB.
I added stickers on top of the US registry. Cheaper than paint.


Sorry about adding the "P". I will look into the stickers. Check your PM's

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R/STOL Twin Cessna's are great if you really need the short field performance, But there is no free lunch. You lose about 70 pounds of useful load and a rib out of each wing. There is a higher risk of a spilt flap operation because of the design. The operating speed is about half (slow) to keep the pitch up to a minimum when lowering the flaps. If you have a spilt flap problem you can have a significant roll with just a small movement of the flaps. The slow retraction speed is also a problem on a go around. Parts are one of the biggest problems and almost impossible to get. The company that owns the STC provides very little support.


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R/STOL Twin Cessna's are great if you really need the short field performance, But there is no free lunch. You lose about 70 pounds of useful load and a rib out of each wing. There is a higher risk of a spilt flap operation because of the design. The operating speed is about half (slow) to keep the pitch up to a minimum when lowering the flaps. If you have a spilt flap problem you can have a significant roll with just a small movement of the flaps. The slow retraction speed is also a problem on a go around. Parts are one of the biggest problems and almost impossible to get. The company that owns the STC provides very little support.


Thanks Gerald
My local Robertson STOL dealer passed on the parts info and they are supposedly working on it, new kits are available so you would think that parts are also, but this is aviation. Good points on the split flap issue, go arounds and flap speeds. The plane has a useful load of just under 2000lbs so I should be OK.

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Another interesting story about buying airplanes..., I had a friend at KWHP, Bullit Freddie was his moniker.. He made his money selling high end plated bullits, requiring chemicals and electricity. He also had a lucrative deal scavenging the lead out of shooting ranges. He had owned a comanche 400 for about 5 yrs and loved it. He sold it, circa 96 for around 58K. He was feeling the pinch, fuel prices going up, the EPA was always on him, forcing him to relocate his business 3 times. A few years later, after relocating to a remote desert location, and business picked up, he had the itch to get another 400. That 8 cylinder lycoming guzzled gas. He showed me a stellar looking 400 in europe on the internet that was for sale, 125K, good avionics but nothing garmin. The plane looked pristine, black paint job, leather interior. He put a deposit on it without a prebuy, it went to an escrow account. He traveled to europe with a mechanic to check it out, engine checked out ok, no corrosion, seemed like it was ready go launch off across the pond. A few weeks later, he sent a ferry pilot over to bring it back to california and stuff started surfacing, resulting in a six month nightmare! Fuel bladder leaking, fuel selector valve leaking, the shop that did the work determined that the prop overhaul was done by a facility that had its certificate revoked and prop had to be redone. Then avionics squawks. More airline tickets, hotel bills, It kept going on and on.The quality of the paint job was only fair. Poor freddie was buried in that plane by the time it hit california. Caveat Emptor.


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Great paint scheme.

Any idea if that would look good on a Bonanza? Anyone seen something similar on a Bonanza?

Just curious.

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I knew some (non-A's) that had cracking aft of the firewalls under the nacelles. I don't remember, is there a max landing weight on the 414? Remember to burn 1.5 hrs on the mains before switching to the AUX tanks. Also, watch the speed on the landing lights. 1) the motors are $$$$, 2) If you trip the breaker (too much wind resistance-extension) then you lost the shuttle pump, too.

enjoy!


Fuel pumps connected to the landing light circuits.... what dummy thought that one up?


That's the recirculation pumps in the main tanks. Their purpose is to circulate fuel from the rear to the front of the tank in a nose down position when fuel is low to prevent unporting, a situation which would be rare in normal operations.

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R/STOL Twin Cessna's are great if you really need the short field performance, But there is no free lunch. You lose about 70 pounds of useful load and a rib out of each wing. There is a higher risk of a spilt flap operation because of the design. The operating speed is about half (slow) to keep the pitch up to a minimum when lowering the flaps. If you have a spilt flap problem you can have a significant roll with just a small movement of the flaps. The slow retraction speed is also a problem on a go around. Parts are one of the biggest problems and almost impossible to get. The company that owns the STC provides very little support.

Thanks Gerald
My local Robertson STOL dealer passed on the parts info and they are supposedly working on it, new kits are available so you would think that parts are also, but this is aviation. Good points on the split flap issue, go arounds and flap speeds. The plane has a useful load of just under 2000lbs so I should be OK.


Doug you have a very nice 414 that will get in and out short fields at max gross. The R/STOL will help with an engine out and at low speeds. Do you have the stainless steel crossfeed lines and the engine beam blankets, these are important safety items ???

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Doug you have a very nice 414 that will get in and out short fields at max gross. The R/STOL will help with an engine out and at low speeds. Do you have the stainless steel crossfeed lines and the engine beam blankets, these are important safety items ???


Thanks
I not sure on the SS crossfeed lines and looked as closely as I could with just cowls off at beams but don't remember a blanket. I'll add them to my list.

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