But, we don't all fit that description. However we all get treated the same. We are all "garbage" to them. It is their job and they get paid well to be able to discern the difference. There was a time in the distant past that only the small town cops acted like that. Now it is nation wide, guilty till proven inocent and we will do whatever needs to be done to make sure you are guilty!!

Ronnie

Please guys, get off each others throats.

People are (again) voluntarily turning over their phones to the police.

Just say no.

What does everyone think about running LOP....?

Tom, Religion is off limits on Easter .....
(Oh, sorry wrong religion.....)...
Lets all face towards Oklahoma, throw up three TATs and pray to the three high priests of Ada (Patriarchs Walter, George and John) for our salvation in the LOP kingdom and deliverance from the don'trunLOPoryourvalveswillburnout demons. Amen.

I once (10+ years ago) wrote a takeoff on the 23rd Psalm . . .

Yeah though I walk through the valley of flying, I shall fear no leaning . . .

It went on and on, and was part of the original group where we created the concept of COTLOP (Chuch of The Lean of Peak).

And WOTLOPSOP.

Wide Open Throttle Lean Of Peak Standard Operating Procedure.

Enough distraction to put this thread back on the rails???

Could somebody please tell me how to ignore a member?

Don,

Go to Preferences in the red line above, go to Manage Friends and Foes. Enter a name in a Foe and you won't see their posts (but have the option to). I've got a few in there....

Well, this is a sad day on BeechTalk. I cannot believe I'm actually witnessing grown men call other grown men - other PILOTS, no less - whom they have never met, liars and worse. This is the stuff of kindergarden, and I'm in shock that it's happening here. Please stop.

It is never appropriate on this forum to cast individuals into the stereotypes of their group. There's a word for that, "bigotry," and it's not acceptable here. What I've read in this thread is no different from someone saying, "ALL pilots are self-absorbed, rich, jerks who care nothing for the people they endanger." Is that true of some pilots? Yep. Does it describe you?

I'm also a little surprised that this particular thread turned into an anti-LEO rant, not unlike those before it. I can understand the mistrust, and I can understand asserting your rights... but in this particular circumstance, I can't really find any fault with the officers who made the stop. Were they working on bad information? Sure. I don't blame them for that though, and sure as they *don't* make a stop based on the same sort of information and it leads to an incident, we'll all be calling for their heads then too.

If I dig really deep, I may fault the officers for (allegedly) strong-arming the pilot into a quick bag search. I would have thought once the pilot and passenger were positively identified as someone other than those the officers sought, that would be good enough. However, again, looking at it from the officers' perspectives, if they don't at least ask to check, it's their asses if something happens. We also haven't heard their side of the story, so I'm going to postpone judgment until we do.

Nevertheless, I would have refused the search and if the officers involved were unscrupulous enough to employ illegal tactics to perform the search anyway, so be it. At least then we both know that I forced them to compromise their integrity to dig through my underwear. Note, however, that this is completely different from the presumption that they lacked integrity from the beginning.

So that said, let's get back on topic, cut out the name calling, and all act like grown ups. Thanks.

Yea, I didn't know this was going to go south so quick. I am really discouraged to hear so many anti cop feelings here, but everyone has a right to their opinions. I am a new guy to this group so if it helps lets try to forget that I am in law enforcement and just think of me as an A-36 pilot, lol. Sometimes you just gotta have thick skin I guess. Lets move on to less controversial topics.
So, what's this lean of peak thing?

George
A-36 Pilot

Are there any officers here who can answer my questions? Assume a stop is made and a passenger has an illegal substance on board my airplane hidden in their bag. What will happen to the pilot/me, the plane, and the rest of the people on board?

What if the flight is a mercy flight and the people in need of this assistance turn out to be in the country illegally? Both of these situations I believe I found myself facing but remained clear. What if one sneaks thru and it happens to be the day a search happens?

Bryan: I'm not a cop, but my read is that it just depends on the officers at the time. You could be kicked loose, or you could lose your plane.

Note! You can lose your plane even if you are not charged with a crime. Asset Forfeiture is a big business and a way for police agencies and courts to make millions.

Note 2! They can "arrest" your plane. No charges against you. The plane is arrested, and it can take tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and months or years to get it back. If/when you get it back, it may be unairworthy, in parts, etc. Tough luck.

As ATF agents told a friend of mine while taking (illegally) his gun collection worth millions, "Don't worry about the damage to the guns. If you ever get them back, they will be in such a condition that you won't want them."

When the ATF gave out Leatherman tools to agents with the inscription "Always Think Forfeiture," you got a look into the mindset.

For me, no more Angel Flights, Mercy Flights, or any other flights where I carry strangers. The exposure is too great, and you can't buy insurance against it.

Thanks, Larry. If this keeps up, I suspect I'll have a few there, too.

I know plenty of LEOs, and nearly all are honorable and would not participate in depriving people of their rights. They also tell me that there are definitely folks who go into law enforcement because of the power trip it gives them. Sorta tough to draw broad-brush conclusions, so my default is a simple practice of respect for LEOs at all times (but I try to display respect for most everyone, anyway).



Bryan: I'm not a cop, but my read is that it just depends on the officers at the time. You could be kicked loose, or you could lose your plane.

Note! You can lose your plane even if you are not charged with a crime. Asset Forfeiture is a big business and a way for police agencies and courts to make millions.

Note 2! They can "arrest" your plane. No charges against you. The plane is arrested, and it can take tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and months or years to get it back. If/when you get it back, it may be unairworthy, in parts, etc. Tough luck.

As ATF agents told a friend of mine while taking (illegally) his gun collection worth millions, "Don't worry about the damage to the guns. If you ever get them back, they will be in such a condition that you won't want them."

When the ATF gave out Leatherman tools to agents with the inscription "Always Think Forfeiture," you got a look into the mindset.

For me, no more Angel Flights, Mercy Flights, or any other flights where I carry strangers. The exposure is too great, and you can't buy insurance against it.

Bryan: I'm not a cop, but my read is that it just depends on the officers at the time. You could be kicked loose, or you could lose your plane.

Note! You can lose your plane even if you are not charged with a crime. Asset Forfeiture is a big business and a way for police agencies and courts to make millions.

Note 2! They can "arrest" your plane. No charges against you. The plane is arrested, and it can take tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and months or years to get it back. If/when you get it back, it may be unairworthy, in parts, etc. Tough luck.

As ATF agents told a friend of mine while taking (illegally) his gun collection worth millions, "Don't worry about the damage to the guns. If you ever get them back, they will be in such a condition that you won't want them."

When the ATF gave out Leatherman tools to agents with the inscription "Always Think Forfeiture," you got a look into the mindset.

For me, no more Angel Flights, Mercy Flights, or any other flights where I carry strangers. The exposure is too great, and you can't buy insurance against it.