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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 14:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: However, I saw Jack Roush this weekend and he flies his Mustang IFR on business trips all the time... Most Mustangs carry a Limited Type Certificate which allows this, unlike the Jets. Was his Premier in the shop ?
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 15:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: However, I saw Jack Roush this weekend and he flies his Mustang IFR on business trips all the time... Most Mustangs carry a Limited Type Certificate which allows this, unlike the Jets. Was his Premier in the shop ?
I think he was in Oakland on the 727 this weekend, He came down to San Diego Saturday morning for the National Warbird Operators Conference... Before RVSM he would often fly int the mid-thirties in the Mustang... He has done LA to Detroit Non-stop......
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 17:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: He has done LA to Detroit Non-stop...... my lord a new item has been added to my bucket list 
_________________ TRUE-COURSE AVIATION INSURANCE - CA License 0G87202 alejandro@true-course.com 805.727.4510
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 17:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: Doug,
There's a guy that flies an F86 every year on the 4th of July over Amelia Island, FL for an airshow. Is that you or do you know the guy?
He does an amazing job and it looks awesome. I've got some great video footage.
Jason If he was dragging a wing in the dirt, then it is Snort Snodgrass... I know him well. I do not fly the F86, but I would love to....
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 17:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: If he was dragging a wing in the dirt, then it is Snort Snodgrass... I know him well.
I do not fly the F86, but I would love to....
Yup. that's him. I have amazing footage. Standing in waist deep water and he goes screaming by just a couple feet off the water. I could feel the heat from the exhaust I was so close. He made that pass at least a dozen times too. He's got the balls of a titan.
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 18:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yup. that's him.
I have amazing footage. Standing in waist deep water and he goes screaming by just a couple feet off the water. I could feel the heat from the exhaust I was so close. He made that pass at least a dozen times too. He's got the balls of a titan.
post it or it didn't happen
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 18:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: He has done LA to Detroit Non-stop...... my lord a new item has been added to my bucket list 
The Mustang has 192 in the wings, 85 in the fuse if installed and with 150 gallons under the wings, that would total 427 gallons. Normal cruise is 60 gph so that would give you 7 hours to dry tanks less the climb fuel.... Normal cruise in a Mustang below 10K is around 230 kts, but at FL 350, it would be around 300 kts TAS. Add a 100 kt tailwind and you have 400 Kt GS. LAX to DTW is 1700 nm so at 4+ 15 it would be an easy trip....
Pretty impressive for an piston powered airplane built in the 40's...
What is not considered in this equation is 4+ hours of sitting on a parachute with your stomach boiling at with a 35,000 ft cabin altitude, sucking on an O2 Mask. At that altitude, you would not want to even take it off for a few moments to itch your nose... A very harsh environment to say the least.... I do lots of flying at 17,500 and that is high enough for me, thank you very much.
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 18:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: post it or it didn't happen
[youtube]http://youtu.be/nlU1rRcEAYw[/youtube] Look at this video at about the 1'45' range his wing is lower than the roof of a car..... This is not a fluke, he does it all the time, he is my friend, and I hate it.....
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 18:39 |
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Username Protected wrote:  Makes my profound admiration and respect for our WWII guys that much deeper  They did it for 8 hours.... And the bomber guys had the windows open. If your heated suit failed you simply froze for 8 hours... I have done two 2.5 hour legs in the Mustang and I had trouble standing up when I got out after the second leg. I can't imagine..... Go to an airshow, museum, or better yet, buy a ride on a touring B-17, B-24, B-25, or P-51, and experience first hand what it must have been like. The cockpit of a P-51 on the ground can reach into the mid 100's, all dressed up in high altitude gear, they would get all sweaty on Take-off and climb, and then it would start to freeze as they got higher. O2 masks would wear their faces raw and then the sweat and blood would freeze the masks to their face... Take some kids. They need to know. And yet look how many people are willing to give up the freedoms these guys paid for with blood so they can FEEL safe...
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 18:53 |
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Username Protected wrote:  Makes my profound admiration and respect for our WWII guys that much deeper  Yeah, and instead of a business meeting, they where doing this to have a life or death fight somewhere 1/2 way into the mission. A lot of them died. Not necessarily from enemy action but simply from the kind of flying this required. A lot of what we know about high-altitude physiology and survival was learned through those kids.
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 19:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: A lot of them died. Not necessarily from enemy action but simply from the kind of flying this required. A lot of what we know about high-altitude physiology and survival was learned through those kids. True. And the physical impact of the stress of battle. I've posted this before, but for a good primer on the day-to-day life in an operational squadron read Clostermann's The Big Show. These guys were young going in and were old coming out - both physically and mentally.
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Post subject: Re: L39 Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 20:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: A lot of them died. Not necessarily from enemy action but simply from the kind of flying this required. A lot of what we know about high-altitude physiology and survival was learned through those kids. True. And the physical impact of the stress of battle. I've posted this before, but for a good primer on the day-to-day life in an operational squadron read Clostermann's The Big Show. These guys were young going in and were old coming out - both physically and mentally.
CK, Seeing your post reminded me of a book I read many years ago -"No Parachute" by A.S.G. Lee - any relation ? It's not in print. I googled it and found that amazon had one used copy and there's one on ebay. It's quite a story. Can you imagine not issuing parachutes to your pilots because "..it might impair their fighting spirit.." ? http://cgi.ebay.com/No-Parachute-Fighte ... 15011r6918
Those guys flew at ridiculously high altitudes in open cockpit planes without oxygen or heat.
Dave
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