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Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Aug 2024, 15:39

Username Protected wrote:

Ah yes. The "synergy' of Brokers and Agents getting together to save the customer money.

Kinda like a Republicans and Democrats getting together to make a bipartisan omnibus spending bill. :bud:

First of all, you obviously don’t know Bruce.

Bruce isn’t really an aircraft broker, he is the owner of a couple of aviation companies, and a stocking aircraft dealer.

Second, one of my concerns with this program is that I might piss brokers off. Especially the less than honorable ones.

The fact is good aircraft brokers appreciate the fact that I bring them clients, most other aircraft brokers would probably prefer I not be involved.

At this point, if you don’t understand that I do everything that I do in an effort to protect aircraft buyers, I really don’t know what else I can say.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Aug 2024, 08:46

Username Protected wrote:

So this is like every appraiser that I have interacted with, you need my service but I am not at liberty to tell you what it will cost - even a ballpark figure. Call me, and I can tell you a price after i know the value of the airplane.

I don’t call for airplanes that say call for price (which is also echoed by most on this site), I don’t talk to car dealers that won’t tell me how much a car costs, and I don’t order “market price” food without knowing the price.

All of those feel slimy to me, not saying this is, but I would never call for this service because I need an expectation of what it costs. If I think that the service is worth X and you tell me 2x or 3x, we have wasted time for all involved.

If you are selling something, a ballpark is a very reasonable ask. At least a “”SE FG would be x-y, a SE complex expect y-x, a piston twin is about YY”. You aren’t traveling, it’s all bookwork, seems to me it’s not that hard to give a range.

Brad

Edit: To respond to the -1 from John Patek, I am sorry I offended you with my opinion and the way that I do business, I didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed on BT.

Because the aircraft appraisal industry is unregulated, there are those who base their report pricing on the value of the aircraft - as unethical as that is. I've run across one or two aircraft appraisers who put their fees online and given that they never leave the office to look at one rivet on the airframe or turn one page in the logs, the fees seem excessive given the lack of effort.

Like Chip, the professional aircraft appraisers price their reports based on the type of aircraft under consideration and typically where it is located. The effort is not all "book work". There is quite a bit of effort in the field visit, effort in the records research and then the effort in writing a comprehensive report to convey all of this information.

Chip has a point in his pricing. Details matter. Knowledge is power and KNOWING details about the subject aircraft before committing too much in $$$$ can pay for itself several times over. However, those who make bad decisions will continue to do so with incomplete and/or inaccurate information.

Good Luck

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Aug 2024, 09:14

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Edit: To respond to the -1 from xxxxxx, I am sorry I offended you with my opinion and the way that I do business, I didn't realize that differing opinions weren't allowed on BT.

Minus 'likes' are just another form of expressing an opinion. You're allowed to say what you like. Others are allowed to say that they dont like it..

calling out someone for expressing thier opinion by expressing yours is an oxymoron.

This concept of Like/dislike is just another "feature" of BT intended to get clicks. a marketing tool for thier business model and support thier ad sales. You've been played.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Aug 2024, 13:47

Website is live.

And I paid for a banner ad so Mike should be happy! :bud:

https://jetacq.com/go-or-no-go/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Aug 2024, 14:04

Looks good, Chip. Good luck with it!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Aug 2024, 08:44

Username Protected wrote:

Looks good, Chip. Good luck with it!

Thanks my friend! The coolest part about it is that my team does most of the work! I’m at that point where I spend most of my time talking with our clients, which is the fun part!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Sep 2024, 22:39

Mike C. should be happy, we have a big, beautiful banner ad!

Right down there!

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2024, 05:15

Username Protected wrote:

Mike C. should be happy, we have a big, beautiful banner ad!

Right down there!

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You must miss him Chip :scratch:

You mention him twice on this page, and again on your other thread, he hasn't posted on this thread since 7-26 :shrug:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2024, 09:18

Username Protected wrote:

Mike C. should be happy, we have a big, beautiful banner ad!

Right down there!

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You must miss him Chip :scratch:

You mention him twice on this page, and again on your other thread, he hasn't posted on this thread since 7-26 :shrug:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2024, 11:52

Its all about the "Clicks".....

Move along, move along.....these aren't the droids we're looking for....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2024, 12:32

Username Protected wrote:

We will soon be offering a new service called "Deal or No Deal" that will help us protect a broader range of aircraft buyers.

Over the last nine years, many of our clients have said how much they appreciate being told NO! Here's one example https://www.twinandturbine.com/and-then-there-was-one/

We have saved our clients millions of dollars by saying NO to deals they shouldn't do!

I've explored different ways that we could expand our service offerings to help more buyers, especially buyers who are interested in piston airplanes and other aircraft for which we do not offer acquisition services, I think I've found the ideal way to accomplish our goal of protecting buyers, over the next few weeks we'll be adding the details to our website and getting the process and paperwork set up. I'll keep you guys posted!

This is a perfectly acceptable way for a Sponsor to engage BeechTalk forum members.

Chip's participation and history of raising awareness for his excellent services in a way that is helpful to the community and often thought-provoking is a great example of what we intended when we created the Sponsor program.

And, for the record, I do not intend with this message to endorse one Sponsor's services, or even one versus another. I am simply addressing whether this thread is within the boundaries of the privileges afforded to a BeechTalk Sponsor, and in my view it is.

I am a BeechTalk administrator, and I approve this message. :peace:

Jeff

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2024, 19:26

Where is Mike C been, is he okay? Anyone know?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Sep 2024, 12:20

Username Protected wrote:

This is a perfectly acceptable way for a Sponsor to engage BeechTalk forum members.

Chip's participation and history of raising awareness for his excellent services in a way that is helpful to the community and often thought-provoking is a great example of what we intended when we created the Sponsor program.

As an admin with the rights/ability to do so, Why not fix the thread title here to his "Go/No-Go" branding and kill the other thread or merge it? It would probably help Chip out and appease the audience expressing displeasure with his marketing clutter

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Sep 2024, 15:35

Username Protected wrote:

Where is Mike C been, is he okay? Anyone know?

He's been quite active on the CJP forums lately.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Sep 2024, 15:54

Evidently he's moved on... :scratch:

JetACQ Deal or No Deal!