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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
PostPosted: 09 Jul 2020, 18:42 
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Power to idle, roll, nose through horizon , spoilers and gear out and you are dropping at over 4K per min.

Old piston planes had o2 generators under seat. I put a little Aerox bottle with flip switch under the seat. Less than 5s to done mask and switch on. Great little system.


Did you replace the O2 generators or just supplement them? Quick donning mask or conventional? Asking because I looked the idea. Also, is there anything for passengers too?


Oxygen generators were an option on my Malibu. I added a small aerox bottle in the cabinet behind the copilot. If I had the o2 generators, I would have removed them.

Edit - nothing for the passengers, just essential crew up front.
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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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Thanks. I ended up digging up a POH for a Mirage and saw it was optional. I think I’d be adding an Aerox setup if I found a plane without.


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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What type of fuel burn do you typically budget from sea level to Top of Climb?


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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What type of fuel burn do you typically budget from sea level to Top of Climb?


19 Gallons to SL-23k feet in a Malibu 520 at medium weights.
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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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For those that fly these regularly, is there a particular performance profile in FF that you find accurate?


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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I had a 1985 Malibu from 1990 till 1998 and it was a nightmare,on almost every flight there were at least 2 squalks and I then sold it and purchased a 1984 P58 Baron that was fantastic for another 8 years,then I quit flying for 8 years and now I have been flying for 3 years and I am considering the purchase of a M350,what is the opinion of the brain trust on BT about that?


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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I had a 1985 Malibu from 1990 till 1998 and it was a nightmare,on almost every flight there were at least 2 squalks and I then sold it and purchased a 1984 P58 Baron that was fantastic for another 8 years,then I quit flying for 8 years and now I have been flying for 3 years and I am considering the purchase of a M350,what is the opinion of the brain trust on BT about that?


I like the Lycoming, and the M350 is a more mature frame than the Malibu. In fact there are almost no interchangeable parts between a Malibu and an M350, so other than the type certificate shares little commonality. I would go with a reputable PA46 shop, and the maintenance is par with any complex flight level aircraft. If you want to go for a new one, apparently Piper is covering all inspections, maintenance, training and fuel for 3 years. 3 for free or something like that. Sounds pretty predictable.

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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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I had a 1985 Malibu from 1990 till 1998 and it was a nightmare,on almost every flight there were at least 2 squalks and I then sold it and purchased a 1984 P58 Baron that was fantastic for another 8 years,then I quit flying for 8 years and now I have been flying for 3 years and I am considering the purchase of a M350,what is the opinion of the brain trust on BT about that?


I like the Lycoming, and the M350 is a more mature frame than the Malibu. In fact there are almost no interchangeable parts between a Malibu and an M350, so other than the type certificate shares little commonality. I would go with a reputable PA46 shop, and the maintenance is par with any complex flight level aircraft. If you want to go for a new one, apparently Piper is covering all inspections, maintenance, training and fuel for 3 years. 3 for free or something like that. Sounds pretty predictable.


Where do you service your Piper, Charles? I a outta touch with the Piper maintenance world...

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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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Thanks Charles for the reply,I am looking at log books and I have seen some owners are not very diligent at having the oil changed and they are going over 50 hours and that concerns me very much,also what compression number is considered a problem in the Lycoming 540.


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If you want to go for a new one, apparently Piper is covering all inspections, maintenance, training and fuel for 3 years. 3 for free or something like that. Sounds pretty predictable.


Had a look at the offer, which IS very interesting, and would just point out that it covers 3 years' "Inspections" and consumables, NOT any replacement parts or such.

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If you want to go for a new one, apparently Piper is covering all inspections, maintenance, training and fuel for 3 years. 3 for free or something like that. Sounds pretty predictable.


Had a look at the offer, which IS very interesting, and would just point out that it covers 3 years' "Inspections" and consumables, NOT any replacement parts or such.


Replacement parts would be covered under the standard warranty. I have had a good bit of work done under warranty on Piper M-class aircraft and have not seen them cut corners At all. Had a nut get stripped on one of the mains During a tire change. They could have just asked for the part back to remachine it, or just have Sent me a stripped down lower main, but I was AOG. Piper overnighted the shop a full left main assembly ready to be bolted in, with new brakes, strut, new tire already painted, no charge. I have no idea what that would cost but I would imagine over 10K. Piper stands behind it’s M-class aircraft. When you buy one, you get the cell phone numbers of the execs. They are serious about bringing customers back, at least that has been my experience having bought 6 new M-class aircraft.
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 Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu
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I own a 1995 mirage. Love the plane. Pressurization is game changing as is flying up to FL230 in total comfort. I highly highly recommend it. 190-205ktas. Can’t beat it for a piston if it meets your mission. I don’t understand why they still make the matrix.

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In regards to transitioning into a PA46, I read an article by Joe Casey in which he said he felt a pilot needs about 1000 hours to safely transition. If one has say 1-200 hours of time in a Bo, Saratoga or similar 6 place turbo plane do you owners feel it that is realistic for moving into a Malibu? What is a current owner consensus on experience needed?


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Nick, everyone is different. But... I got my a36 bonanza when I had 105 hours As a private pilot. I used the bonanza to get my instrument rating and flew it until I had about 350 hours. Then I transitioned to the mirage. Super easy transition and I used David McVinney in Albuquerque for transition training. I flew with David until we both felt I would be fine in the plane (20 hours?). Then I flew it home. Make yourself some personal minimums and enjoy the plane!


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Nick, I agree with Val. I transitioned from my A36 with less than 1000 hours. The PA-46 is an amazing platform if you have the mission for it. Just sold mine after two years and can confirm they perform as advertised. I used Hank Gibson (highly recommend) based in Texas, but he'll come to you for my PA-46 training.


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