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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild  Posted: 29 May 2019, 23:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Quote: But the SF50 makes a good case. It could have made a much better case if not for the fact it was conceived by piston misconceptions. It has trouble being comparable to a turboprop, much less delivering true jet capability and performance. Mike C. Well, at least 500 people x $2.5M each disagree with you. 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 30 May 2019, 01:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: Very slight correction - you need 3 hours dual for the checkride. ref. 61.129(b)(3)(v) Quote: (v) Three hours in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test. nope... that only applies if it's an initial category. For an add on class see 61.63(c)(3)
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 30 May 2019, 01:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well, at least 500 people x $2.5M each disagree with you. About 400 of them thought they would pay $1.3M and they didn't really know what they were getting when they signed the contract. About 7.53 billion people are not signing new contracts for SF-50s now. Indeed, is anybody? That's the real test, new sales with the real price and the real airplane to judge. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 30 May 2019, 15:57 |
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Mike, I’ll never own a jet. When are you getting your jet, which undoubtedly will be the fastest, most efficient, largest, highest-flying, longest-legged plane on Earth....? 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cirrus has demonized getting an ME rating as some sort of barrier. That's BS. According to the late Richard Collins, ME is clearly unsafe and SF50 is far superior. Now tell me how Collins was a Cirrus toadie and how much kickbacks he received, I dare you.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well, at least 500 people x $2.5M each disagree with you. The deliveries according to GAMA were 2016 TBM: 54 SF50: 3 2017 TBM: 57 SF50: 22 2018 TBM: 50 SF50: 63 Are you including the deposit holders into the 500? I think we ought to count chickens in the autumn.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 23:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well, at least 500 people x $2.5M each disagree with you. The deliveries according to GAMA were 2016 TBM: 54 SF50: 3 2017 TBM: 57 SF50: 22 2018 TBM: 50 SF50: 63 Are you including the deposit holders into the 500? I think we ought to count chickens in the autumn.
The order book for the SF50 is 500+ deep now. A friend of mine seriously inquired and also looked for any delivery positions that people were looking to flip.
Nada.
Even if half of them chicken out, that's still a whole lot of people who plonked down for it.
The TBM's been around a while. Not knocking it, I peered into one today and would absolutely want to go ride in one.
But sales looks flat at 50/yr. I think Cirrus is likely to exceed its numbers in not too much time with the SF50. Depending on their ability to produce, I would expect 100 a year pretty soon.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 23:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: According to the late Richard Collins, ME is clearly unsafe and SF50 is far superior. That could have been true for Richard, which doesn't necessarily make it true for someone else. There's no safety penalty for ME jet. Accidents are being avoided all the time by having more than one engine on jets. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 23:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: But sales looks flat at 50/yr. I highly doubt Cirrus sold 50 new positions in the last year for the SF-50. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 23:58 |
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According to the Cirrus rep at the AOPA Fly-In today, Cirrus has delivered 120 aircraft and has orders for 540 more.
It was my first time looking inside the cabin. It’s wide and modern looking, but I wasn’t overly impressed. I prefer club seating. The TBM on display also had all forward facing seats also. I asked my 12 year old son if we should upgrade to the TBM. He said “Upgrade? You can’t even talk to each other!” Apparently he prefers club seating too.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 00:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: According to the Cirrus rep at the AOPA Fly-In today, Cirrus has delivered 120 aircraft There are 127 on the US registry, but many are Cirrus owned and don't yet have CofA. Highest serial number (on US registry) delivered to a customer is 115. 9 serial numbers less than that are Cirrus owned (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 78, 102, 105). All serial numbers higher than that are Cirrus owned. That makes, at best, 106 deliveries assuming all missing serial numbers in the US registry are foreign registered. First SF-50 was delivered 2.5 years ago, so less than 50 average per year. The US registry is fairly up to date, latest registration shown was 6/19/2019, 3 days ago. The Cirrus rep was exaggerating slightly. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 07:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: According to the Cirrus rep at the AOPA Fly-In today, Cirrus has delivered 120 aircraft and has orders for 540 more.
It was my first time looking inside the cabin. It’s wide and modern looking, but I wasn’t overly impressed. I prefer club seating. The TBM on display also had all forward facing seats also. I asked my 12 year old son if we should upgrade to the TBM. He said “Upgrade? You can’t even talk to each other!” Apparently he prefers club seating too. The middle seats on the TBM (at least the 9XX series) can be installed facing forward or aft. 850 and earlier all faced aft.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 08:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: At the AOPA flyin today they had a Cirrus Jet right next to a TBM 910 and an M600. The difference in the cabin is so palpable, most in the crowd seemed drawn by gravity to the Cirrus. The cabin is ginormous and gorgeous. The comparison to the M600 is night and day especially, the cabin sells it. Funny that planes used to be judged on range, payload, speed, and now the trend is the cabin experience.  Maybe it is a real thing. I guess utility and efficiency are a thing of the past. The SF50 just will not do what I want a plane to do. As shiny as it is it would be staying in the hangar on the worst days, in my typical high, hot, short, long, contaminated field missions. But for the same logic, why would anyone commute to work in one of these: Attachment: 4.jpg When they could commute in one of these: It even has a lav, and your pax can lie down  Attachment: 1.jpg Attachment: 2.jpg Utility, efficiency, range, payload, runway performance.... These things really do matter. I guess it is all about mission, but the TBM and M600 are as close to as an anywhere anytime plane that you can get. The SF50 is not that. But it does some missions very well.
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Username Protected wrote: But sales looks flat at 50/yr. I highly doubt Cirrus sold 50 new positions in the last year for the SF-50. Mike C.
How many MU2s did sell Mitsubishi sell last year?
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