Because I knew it would get somebody riled up if I didn't include it. In reality, I just populated the same list you had in that last post to show the comparison in numbers.

For what it is worth, there were 2 P180s on FA and 4 on ADSBExchange at that moment. While it is a 50% block rate, it is hardly a statistically significant population to apply any logic to. It is another data point and yes, it also shows there are a lot more PC12s, 200s, etc. flying than P180s right then (just as there always will be).

I stalk a few corporate gulfstreams so I have my antennas out looking for them at all times, and I am astonished to see the ratio of ones that are in the sky versus on FA, it's nearly 10:1 like 172's

You can't even use NBAA numbers because most of them have their own corporate hangars/hideouts and never even come across a ramp

So there are a lot of P180's flying? P180 owners are just a lot more secretive than everyone else?

Once again... your numbers show it is "statistically significant" but you say it isn't? Explain.

All I ever used FA for was a "data point". It's the best one we have access to and it just so happens to match what we all see in real life.

Most charter flights are trackable by aircraft type, usually by flight number or callsign at a minimum

Private flights are just that- private

I do not see any charter outfit that uses P180's in their fleet, so that would explain it to me

I personally do not understand owning a private airplane and staying trackable, so it would make perfect sense to me that every single P180 that is flying is not trackable- i am not saying that is a true statement, I am saying for each one you find on flight aware, I am already surprised

1. My tail number isn't blocked. It's Pointless. False sense of security.
2. Charter planes support a support network so my point stands regarding no support network for the P180.

On FA right now:
58 PC12 Pilatus PC-12
35 E55P Embraer Phenom 300
1 PC24 Pilatus PC-24 (cool)
2 P180 Piaggio P.180 Avanti

So you guys think there are really dozens of P180's flying on blocked tail numbers but all the PC12's and Phenom 300's on FA are artificially high? The truth is opposite of what FA shows? Because P180 owners are super secretive and everyone else isn't?

Just another set of data points using info from ADSBExchange looking at planes flying in the last few minutes. This is limited to just the continental US airspace vs worldwide with FlightAware:

37 PC12
44 BE20
18 SR22
165 C172

There are a heck of a lot more 172's in the air when looking at ADSB.

I also compared several other types between the two platforms and there are some significant spreads in what they show for some models between. For example, there are 4 GLF5's on FlightAware but ADSB shows over 20 at the same time (i.e. blocked tail numbers).

Not trying to argue any particular point, just trying to shine some light on sources of data with systematic limitations.

5 on FlightAware, 7 on ADSB.

This thread is already a BT classic

I'd like to say that anyone putting 100s of a hours on a 172 is not someone I would consider "poor"

I don't understand Brian's comment either. There are many multi million $$ aircraft not blocked. Many way more expensive than P180's.

It's not like it's expensive to block your tail number.

It’s funny, Adam (who started this debate) doesn’t even have a dog in this hunt. Years ago he wrote robot software that automatically injects random P180 comments into every single BT thread just to see what happens.

Indeed Adam is the resident P180 enthusiast.

Jason used the word poor, this isn't class warfare, it's common sense

If Jason can't sit down and list the pros/cons to having your airplane trackable and see the con list grow beyond the ink left in the pen, then I am at a loss

Does blocking prevent it from being tracked completely? No, and I never said that

Hence why I don't bother with blocking my tail number.

I'd love to read all your reasons for blocking. I'll bet you can't list more than 3 much less "use all the ink in your pen".

I run a system that scans the skies for all airplanes, I observe the results and compare to flight aware and notice a large discrepancy

I didn't come here to educate you on how the tracking world works or the merits of privacy, my original input was simply to point out the flaw in your numbers, others have agreed, I rest my case

Placing the burden of proof on others and engaging in circular logic just erodes the conversation