BeechTalk - BT - A Big Reason Cirrus Sells Lots of Planes to Repeat Customers

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 15:00

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Most of the Cirrus owners I meet don't use their plane in business, or at least, not to 50% usage level which triggers making it a depreciable business asset that qualifies for bonus depreciation.

So, yes, I don't believe most Cirrus owners can take advantage of bonus depreciation.

Mike C.

You are right, most Currus owners don't actually use their airplanes in business more than 50%. But I would guess that if you look at their tax returns, it appears as if they do.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 15:04

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I wondered if they'd all be standing around a Cirrus in the same situation if they knew it had explosives on board!

The 100LL or the rocket? Just looking for clarity..

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 15:11

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The funny thing is I really like the Cirrus, but not because of the parachute... I just like the style and how it flies!

It flies like a suburban. But who ever flies the 22? Isn't it 600 feet and, click, ap enabled and computer operator until landing? I like the side stick, but I feel it lacks in responsive feedback.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 15:19

This.
Cirrus wants your business. The other airframe manufacturers should take a page from the Cirrus book.

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After discussing with Max and getting his permission, I have made arrangements for Cirrus to attend and have a new 2016 aircraft onsite from 9 am -2 pm.

Evans Hood and Jonathan Sweatman from Cirrus will be available to give ground demos, Max has made arrangements for an electrical hook up to run the Avionics.

Mike

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 15:23

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This.
Cirrus wants your business. The other airframe manufacturers should take a page from the Cirrus book.

It is odd, isn't it. When I worked in the corporate world, when budgets needed trimming, it was often the sales side that got whacked.

Why is that? I believe there is jealousy of the amount salespeople make, and that's some of it. But how hard is it to see if sales are sucking, you need to devote more to sales?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 15:29

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I believe there is jealousy of the amount salespeople make, and that's some of it. But how hard is it to see if sales are sucking, you need to devote more to sales?

Funny, where I worked there was jealousy about how much the engineers made.

You cut sales because you don't have anything to sell. Have engineers and product developers hunker down for a little while and build stuff to sell. Then hire back a few sales people when ready.

Ultimately there are tons of scenarios. No formula fits them all.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 19:24

Username Protected wrote:

I believe there is jealousy of the amount salespeople make, and that's some of it. But how hard is it to see if sales are sucking, you need to devote more to sales?

Funny, where I worked there was jealousy about how much the engineers made.

You cut sales because you don't have anything to sell. Have engineers and product developers hunker down for a little while and build stuff to sell. Then hire back a few sales people when ready.

Ultimately there are tons of scenarios. No formula fits them all.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 19:56

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BMWs are terrible I don;t think I will ever own another one. Porsches are rock solid!

Amen!!
Really impressed with mine.
Never again Mercedes or Bmw

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 20:26

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The funny thing is I really like the Cirrus, but not because of the parachute... I just like the style and how it flies!

It flies like a suburban. But who ever flies the 22? Isn't it 600 feet and, click, ap enabled and computer operator until landing? I like the side stick, but I feel it lacks in responsive feedback.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 20:29

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We just had the Fire Department show up for an incident where a King Air ran into a Citation while taxiing, one prop tried to saw off the wing while the other chewed off the horizontal stabilizer. The Fire Department showed up to monitor de-fueling, they were prepared for a fire.

I wondered if they'd all be standing around a Cirrus in the same situation if they knew it had explosives on board!

N992AS??

http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=1634739#p1634739
Stu Taylor has photos on page 359.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 20:43

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...But how hard is it to see if sales are sucking, you need to devote more to sales?

not necessarily. In some businesses when sales are down it's because of cyclical economic factors. That might be seen as a time to trim market expenses while bulking up R&D and efficiency activities, so that when the good times return the organization has the products and production capacity ready to capitalize

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 20:57

Username Protected wrote:

We just had the Fire Department show up for an incident where a King Air ran into a Citation while taxiing, one prop tried to saw off the wing while the other chewed off the horizontal stabilizer. The Fire Department showed up to monitor de-fueling, they were prepared for a fire.

I wondered if they'd all be standing around a Cirrus in the same situation if they knew it had explosives on board!

N992AS??

http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=1634739#p1634739
Stu Taylor has photos on page 359.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 21:01

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I guess everyone has a different idea. I've had a bunch of suburbans and F250's. A bunch of 911's and other sports cars too. I think the Cirrus handles more like the latter. But then I drive trucks like sports cars... :shrug:

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I thought the Cirrus to be more sportscar as well, as compared to the Columbia 400. The Cirrus seemed nimble and light... the Columbia was heavier on the controls and felt heavy and stable. Landing the Columbia seemed to be an issue as you would run out of control movement before the flair. I called Lance Niebauer (shameless name drop

) and asked him why his airplane didn't have enough elevator to land... he replied "just land fast, about 5 knots over book and it will be perfect"... sure enough!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 21:02

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N992AS??

http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=1634739#p1634739
Stu Taylor has photos on page 359.

Thanks John... I've been too busy to post about it, but I'll upload some photos on Stu's post!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Mar 2016, 21:24

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It flies like a suburban. But who ever flies the 22? Isn't it 600 feet and, click, ap enabled and computer operator until landing? I like the side stick, but I feel it lacks in responsive feedback.

what difference does it make? My travel air is the sweetest handling plane I've ever owned but I probably only fly it 15 mins of any given flight. The purpose of that plane is to get me from here to there and stec can fly a straighter line than I can.