BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 14:38

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A P Baron would be roughly the same speed as what I have now, so it would indeed be between 250 and 300 hrs.

Luc, you are currently doing 210 to 220 KTAS?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 14:58

Username Protected wrote:

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A P Baron would be roughly the same speed as what I have now, so it would indeed be between 250 and 300 hrs.

Luc, you are currently doing 210 to 220 KTAS?

No, I didn't know P Barons go that fast.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 14:59

Luc, I'd also look at the fast Aerostars.

http://aerostaraircraft.com/baron.html

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 15:00

Username Protected wrote:

Luc, you are currently doing 210 to 220 KTAS?

No, I didn't know P Barons go that fast.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 18:29

500-700 nm, Sounds like that would be a good fit for a Jetprop or Meridian.
Money is cheap, just up your purchase price to 800-900 AMU.
You do want to burn Jet A.

Username Protected wrote:

What's the mission Luc?

500 miles or so, 700 tops
Light load: me + 1 pax; occasionally 2 pax
Light luggage: sub 100 lbs
Say 500 lbs, 600 lbs occasionally ; 350 lbs most of the time.
Oh, and I just love the sound and smell of turbines. Not sure if that can be done on this budget and on "human" yearly budget.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 18:39

Acclaim type S and wear a nose hose

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 21:42

Purchase price up to around $1MM is "almost" meaningless if you fly alot like Luc. Its all about the OpX.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 21:59

Lets go take a trip when I get mine finished. I will haul you around for a day or two. You buy the gas and you can see if you like it!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 23:26

Username Protected wrote:

Acclaim type S and wear a nose hose

Just FYI, but the Acclaim also has little to no conditioning due to an AD. If it installed and not deactivated, you can use it, but it is limited to cruise use only; prohibited on the ground/climb/descent.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 23:35

Username Protected wrote:

My cost per hour in the Mirage is historically $353 including capital upgrades, depreciation to market and not including fuel.

No fuel?

How about insurance, maintenance, taxes, training, interest, etc.

Just wondering what is included or not in the $353 number. How many years in that average?

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2015, 23:52

Username Protected wrote:

You do want to burn Jet A.

Yes, you really do. :-)

But not at a Landmark FBO. :-(

Best price I can get at KCID is $5.28 (list $5.74). KIOW is $3.57 full service contract, $3.49 self service list. A couple of nearby places have it under $3 but are self serve list (KVTI, KAWG).

I'm based at a high fuel price airport ($5.35). I almost never need to buy fuel here, though, so it isn't as much of a hardship as it may seem.

Of course, 100LL at KCID is $6.45, ouch! Might take some of the shine off a piston twin.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Sep 2015, 06:22

Username Protected wrote:

Acclaim type S and wear a nose hose

Just FYI, but the Acclaim also has little to no conditioning due to an AD. If it installed and not deactivated, you can use it, but it is limited to cruise use only; prohibited on the ground/climb/descent.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Sep 2015, 09:43

Username Protected wrote:

Just FYI, but the Acclaim also has little to no conditioning due to an AD. If it installed and not deactivated, you can use it, but it is limited to cruise use only; prohibited on the ground/climb/descent.

Hadn't heard that. Could you lead me to the AD? Thanks

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Sep 2015, 09:56

I saw the P210 mentioned, but not specifically the P210R. The R seems to be a much better P210 (at least the price seems to reflect it). The owners I have talked to say they typically cruise 200 knots+ in the high teens and low flight levels. It has a longer wing, bigger tail, lighter control feel than the standard P210. Typical priced I have seen are between $300,000 and $350,000.

But at those prices, I could buy a pressurized twin and fly for the rest of my career with the price difference used for fuel and maintenance.

Vince

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Sep 2015, 10:08

Username Protected wrote:

But at those prices, I could buy a pressurized twin and fly for the rest of my career with the price difference used for fuel and maintenance.

Seems that way, but it really isn't.

A P210R might cost $150K more than, say, a 340. Say you fly 150 hours, the 340 costs $100 more per hour in fuel, and $100 more per hour in maintenance, so that $30K more per year. So the $150K surplus is used up in 5 years.

And then you sell. The P210R guy has higher hull value so he gets most of his money back, the 340 guy doesn't.

Operating cost is the prime determinant of total ownership cost.

Mike C.

500 AMU, Single, , FIKI Pressurised?