Whatever. A 421 is FAR more airplane to handle than a Citation Bravo. I have flown both and the 421 requires much more skill and attention to systems. The jet requires more attention to speed control and that is it. Manage the speed and you will never get in trouble in a jet.

Mitch:

Todd's comment is an oversimplification to be sure but as a guy who is a renowned instructor in the Citation world I am pretty sure you are a proponent of the SPW correct? I would also guess that you are of the mind that a properly trained and current pilot in a SP (or SPW) Citation would be at less risk than a similarly well trained and current piston twin driver flying the same route as the jet pilot?

I flew my C310 from KSDL to KSAW (Michigan's UP) last Friday. It was an 8 hour trip that started in daylight and ended at night. Couple hours of actual. One GPS approach in actual. Two takeoffs and landings. Circumnavigated two areas of convective sigmets. Alternatively, in the 560 it is a non stop 3.5 hour trip. Daylight the entire way and no IMC to speak of. The deviations would have been minor and done in VMC conditions.

I can't think of a single aspect of this flight that favors the C310 from a safety perspective other than perhaps speed (which, I believe, was Todds meta point ). Am I wrong?

Mark, a well trained and current pilot in both airplanes would no doubt be safer in the Citation doing that trip. It is a matter of being trained to a high level in the jet. I think you will agree that training to that level of proficiency in the C310 takes less time than it does for the Citation, yet the end result is a safe pilot. Now the trip, conditions and fatigue come into play, which to me, makes the Citation the clear winner in that scenario.

Mitch:

Todd's comment is an oversimplification to be sure but as a guy who is a renowned instructor in the Citation world I am pretty sure you are a proponent of the SPW correct? I would also guess that you are of the mind that a properly trained and current pilot in a SP (or SPW) Citation would be at less risk than a similarly well trained and current piston twin driver flying the same route as the jet pilot?

I flew my C310 from KSDL to KSAW (Michigan's UP) last Friday. It was an 8 hour trip that started in daylight and ended at night. Couple hours of actual. One GPS approach in actual. Two takeoffs and landings. Circumnavigated two areas of convective sigmets. Alternatively, in the 560 it is a non stop 3.5 hour trip. Daylight the entire way and no IMC to speak of. The deviations would have been minor and done in VMC conditions.

I can't think of a single aspect of this flight that favors the C310 from a safety perspective other than perhaps speed (which, I believe, was Todds meta point ). Am I wrong?

Funny thing is that the speed agreement is a double edged sword. On one hand it increases risk because reaction time is reduced yet it also reduces risk in that it reduces flight time. Longer flight time increases risk because the act of flying is inherently more risky than not

Mitch:

Todd's comment is an oversimplification to be sure but as a guy who is a renowned instructor in the Citation world I am pretty sure you are a proponent of the SPW correct? I would also guess that you are of the mind that a properly trained and current pilot in a SP (or SPW) Citation would be at less risk than a similarly well trained and current piston twin driver flying the same route as the jet pilot?

I flew my C310 from KSDL to KSAW (Michigan's UP) last Friday. It was an 8 hour trip that started in daylight and ended at night. Couple hours of actual. One GPS approach in actual. Two takeoffs and landings. Circumnavigated two areas of convective sigmets. Alternatively, in the 560 it is a non stop 3.5 hour trip. Daylight the entire way and no IMC to speak of. The deviations would have been minor and done in VMC conditions.

I can't think of a single aspect of this flight that favors the C310 from a safety perspective other than perhaps speed (which, I believe, was Todds meta point ). Am I wrong?

I love the debate. I don't give any thoughts to dying while flying. I want a long range, fast airplane that fits my budget. A Learjet fits that mission but requires two pilots. Alex shared a spreadsheet with me that showed a 30k insurance premium for flying a CV SP.
In addition, a citation is double the money compared to a Lear so I'd have higher hull premium and cost of money. If I decided to fly SP, I'd also need to upgrade avionics - im not comfortable flying the old fms's alone. A SIC isn't expensive and the right one make s flying easier. I've flown two and three pilot crews in 135 ops and airlines, they are generally safer.

It not religious about it, I have zero issue flying the KA alone but sometimes I take somebody else if it's a long day. Sometimes for no other reason than it is nice when you fart knowing that somebody else has to suffer with you

Some of my best and most memorable times in a airplane have been with another pilot.

SP you are not bothered with emails , phones or any other type of communication. It's nice to simpy have one task, one mission at hand, instead of dealing with multiple problems from multiple people.

In a crewed airplane you are spared the earth bound problems but you also have the fun of razing another pilot and sharing the experience.

It's surprising how much you can learn about a guy that you fly with. There is very little not shared in the cockpit.

Piloting is better done with a buddy than alone, and worse when done with a jerk than alone.

The good thing is most pilots are not jerks!

Two days isn't a given. Weather way worse the second day. Might help with fatigue factor and allowed 100% daylight but it would have been IMC with Sigmets the entire second day.

There seems to be consensus the jet SP is safer for any meaningful trip vs anything piston driven SP or even 2 pilot. Some are convinced the act of flying (anything) requires two pilots. Others say no jet sp but sp otherwise is ok. (Boo). Still others say bring another guy along as it makes life easier(if it is the right guy AND he is a pro who works for you). Ok.

I am saying that if you decide two pilots is for you please make damn sure you have ample supply to hire your SIC. If you don't....think thrice

I did this flight yesterday in the Pilatus. Why do I need a 2 pilot jet?

I did this flight yesterday in the Pilatus. Why do I need a 2 pilot jet?