14 May 2025, 22:50 [ UTC - 5; DST ]
|
| Username Protected |
Message |
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer  Posted: 21 Nov 2015, 18:31 |
|
 |
|
|
Joined: 10/21/13
Posts: 53
Post Likes: +16
Aircraft: TBM7
|
|
|
Isn't TBO on the diesels about 1000 hours?
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 21 Nov 2015, 19:06 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 01/12/14
Posts: 39
Post Likes: +28
Location: Thailand
Aircraft: PA46-350P Jetprop
|
|
Username Protected wrote: My problem with Diamond is two-fold:
They keep announcing all of these great airplanes, but it never happens. DA-50, DA-52, D-Jet, etc. If they build this one great, I'll wait until I can see it.
Customer service seems very suspect. I wasn't impressed by the way that they handled the engine issues on the DA-42. If I owned one, lost $350K in value over-night, and then had to spend another $300K to put some good engines on an almost new aircraft, I would be super pissed.
Other than that I have flown the DA-42 and it makes you realize the possibilities, start it like a car, burn 10 GPH of jet-A total, simple. Agreed, the DA-62 could be a game changer. Alex speaks the truth. And I am in no way in the "Beech Camp" that they are the equal to modern aircraft; they are not. I almost bought one of the early Diamond Twins. Had I done so, I would probably be in prison now for murder. I wouldn't buy a ********** Diamond product if my only other choice was walking. They have ZERO credibility with me. Jgreen
As a D-Jet deposit holder being screwed over by Diamond, I would have to agree.
They way they have and continue to hold on to those deposits is at best immoral even if technically not illegal.
I will not be dealing with this company again regardless of whatever products they develop.
E
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 21 Nov 2015, 19:30 |
|
|
|
|
 |
Joined: 04/26/13
Posts: 21631
Post Likes: +22185
Location: Columbus , IN (KBAK)
Aircraft: 1968 Baron D55
|
|
Username Protected wrote: I will add to the list the Beech 1900/D model which I used to fly. A beast of an aircraft, and also a hot rod.
Of course 'ugly' is subjective. We called it 'flipper' because of all the fins hanging off the tail. 'D' for Dolphin.
_________________
My last name rhymes with 'geese'.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 21 Nov 2015, 21:34 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 07/05/11
Posts: 936
Post Likes: +301
Location: York, PA (KTHV)
Aircraft: 2009 B200GT
|
|
|
Nice airplane, but at typical cruise power settings, its a 170 KT ride. Understanding that we spend more time flying with headwinds than tailwinds, the extra 25-30 KTS the Baron provides is a game changer for me.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 22 Nov 2015, 13:25 |
|
|
|
|
 |
Joined: 11/06/10
Posts: 12131
Post Likes: +3031
Company: Looking
Location: Outside Boston, or some hotel somewhere
Aircraft: None
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Isn't TBO on the diesels about 1000 hours? Depends: -- Thielerts 1.7 had a TBR of 1000, usually it made sense to replace/upgrade with the NG or 2.0 at 900 hours. -- Thielerts 2.0 have a TBR of 1500 hours. -- Diamond AE300 NG now has a TBO of 2000 hours. (initially 1200, increased to 1500 in 2013 and 2000 in 2015). Rumor is Diamond is working on extending the TBO to over 3000 hours; driver for this flight schools and the MPP (surveillance platform); there was some caveat that you needed to fly 200+ hours a year to qualify for this huge extension. The question will be how does the same engine do with the upgraded HP to 180 for the DA62. Will this affect engine life? Tim
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 22 Nov 2015, 20:18 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 05/23/08
Posts: 6060
Post Likes: +709
Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
Aircraft: TBM - C185 - T206
|
|
Does the AE300 have a gear box inspection? Username Protected wrote: Isn't TBO on the diesels about 1000 hours? Depends: -- Thielerts 1.7 had a TBR of 1000, usually it made sense to replace/upgrade with the NG or 2.0 at 900 hours. -- Thielerts 2.0 have a TBR of 1500 hours. -- Diamond AE300 NG now has a TBO of 2000 hours. (initially 1200, increased to 1500 in 2013 and 2000 in 2015). Rumor is Diamond is working on extending the TBO to over 3000 hours; driver for this flight schools and the MPP (surveillance platform); there was some caveat that you needed to fly 200+ hours a year to qualify for this huge extension. The question will be how does the same engine do with the upgraded HP to 180 for the DA62. Will this affect engine life? Tim
_________________
Former Baron 58 owner.
Pistons engines are for tractors.
Marc Bourdon
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 22 Nov 2015, 20:33 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 08/16/15
Posts: 2931
Post Likes: +5603
Location: Portland, OR
Aircraft: Prusinski'ing
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Does the AE300 have a gear box inspection?
http://austroengine.at/uploads/pdf/SIE4001r2.pdfYes but my understanding is that it is just an inspection, not replacement like the thielert's old 300 hour interval. I gotta be honest. If I wanted to earth-round on the cheap, a DA42 seems like a decent way to do it.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 22 Nov 2015, 20:35 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 08/16/15
Posts: 2931
Post Likes: +5603
Location: Portland, OR
Aircraft: Prusinski'ing
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Does the AE300 have a gear box inspection?
http://austroengine.at/uploads/pdf/SIE4001r2.pdfYes but my understanding is that it is just an inspection, not replacement like the thielert's old 300 hour interval. I gotta be honest. If I wanted to earth-round on the cheap, a DA42 seems like a decent way to do it.
Didn't read my own link correctly.  Replacement at TBO for the gearbox. It's the V-belt that gets inspection frequently and replaced at 5 year.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 12:17 |
|
|
|
|
 |
Joined: 01/16/11
Posts: 11068
Post Likes: +7094
Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Aircraft: PC12NG, G3Tat
|
|
Username Protected wrote: It's still ugly...
Looks like a mosquito...
Warren Easy there chisel chest
_________________
---Rusty Shoe Keeper---
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 12:18 |
|
|
|
|
 |
Joined: 01/29/08
Posts: 26338
Post Likes: +13079
Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
Aircraft: PC12NG
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Easy there chisel chest Jerky Boys Good one
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 12:45 |
|
|
|
|
 |
Joined: 08/26/15
Posts: 9921
Post Likes: +9817
Company: airlines (*CRJ,A320)
Location: Florida panhandle
Aircraft: Travel Air,T-6B,etc*
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Easy there chisel chest Jerky Boys
R-I-Z-Z-O. Open your ears!
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 17:26 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 05/23/08
Posts: 6060
Post Likes: +709
Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
Aircraft: TBM - C185 - T206
|
|
I only see 1800 hrs as the new tbo. Username Protected wrote: Isn't TBO on the diesels about 1000 hours? Depends: -- Thielerts 1.7 had a TBR of 1000, usually it made sense to replace/upgrade with the NG or 2.0 at 900 hours. -- Thielerts 2.0 have a TBR of 1500 hours. -- Diamond AE300 NG now has a TBO of 2000 hours. (initially 1200, increased to 1500 in 2013 and 2000 in 2015). Rumor is Diamond is working on extending the TBO to over 3000 hours; driver for this flight schools and the MPP (surveillance platform); there was some caveat that you needed to fly 200+ hours a year to qualify for this huge extension. The question will be how does the same engine do with the upgraded HP to 180 for the DA62. Will this affect engine life? Tim
_________________
Former Baron 58 owner.
Pistons engines are for tractors.
Marc Bourdon
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 25 Nov 2015, 12:56 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 11/06/10
Posts: 12131
Post Likes: +3031
Company: Looking
Location: Outside Boston, or some hotel somewhere
Aircraft: None
|
|
Username Protected wrote: I only see 1800 hrs as the new tbo.
Marc, Correct. I missed that. 1800 current with a 2000 design TBO. Diamond expects to get the 2000 TBO at some point. Tim
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Diamond DA62 is the Baron killer Posted: 25 Nov 2015, 18:37 |
|
|
|
|
 |
Joined: 07/10/10
Posts: 1068
Post Likes: +774
Location: New Braunfels, TX
Aircraft: Conquest
|
|
Username Protected wrote: It's still ugly...
Looks like a mosquito...
Warren DA62 = Anorexic Aztec
_________________
----Still emotionally attached to my Baron----
|
|
| Top |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
Terms of Service | Forum FAQ | Contact Us
BeechTalk, LLC is the quintessential Beechcraft Owners & Pilots Group providing a
forum for the discussion of technical, practical, and entertaining issues relating to all Beech aircraft. These include
the Bonanza (both V-tail and straight-tail models), Baron, Debonair, Duke, Twin Bonanza, King Air, Sierra, Skipper, Sport, Sundowner,
Musketeer, Travel Air, Starship, Queen Air, BeechJet, and Premier lines of airplanes, turboprops, and turbojets.
BeechTalk, LLC is not affiliated or endorsed by the Beechcraft Corporation, its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
Beechcraft™, King Air™, and Travel Air™ are the registered trademarks of the Beechcraft Corporation.
Copyright© BeechTalk, LLC 2007-2025
|
|
|
|
