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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 18:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: Which CJ's require the type rating and 5 day annual recurrent training? Which ones only require the type rating and annual SIM or 2-3 day recurrent, or less? Is it based on the12,500 lbs MGTOW? All turbojets require a type rating and an annual 61.58 proficiency check to act as PIC. The 61.58 check is effectively a type rating check every year. You need to demonstrate all the maneuvers in the type rating PTS however it can be done in a progressive fashion where you train the maneuver and then satisfactorily demonstrate it. The 61.58 check qualifies as an IPC and BFR also. A 61.58 check can be done is 2, 3 or 4 days depending on the training provider. What the 5 day annual recurrent comment refers to is the Citation 500, 550, 560 has an exemption process for single pilot operations as they were certified only for two pilot operation. You need to renew your exemption every year and the training for that qualifies as a 61.58 check but is more extensive with its own PTS requirements.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 19:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: Which CJ's require the type rating and 5 day annual recurrent training? Which ones only require the type rating and annual SIM or 2-3 day recurrent, or less? Is it based on the12,500 lbs MGTOW? I'll try this. I'm sure if I omit something, someone will surely correct me:) Citation I SP (501SP) 500 series Type Rating. Can be operated single pilot by qualified pilot. Normal recurrent. Citation II SP. (551) See Above Citation 500, 501 (non SP), 550 (Citation II) 550 S II, 560 (V, V Ultra, Encore, Encore +) require a 500 type rating with an exemption to be flown single pilot. These usually are 5 day courses w a check ride annually. CJ - CJ, CJ1, CJ1+, CJ2, CJ2+, CJ3, CJ4,(525, 525A, 525B, 525C) require a 525 type rating and can be flown single pilot by a qualified pilot. Normal recurrent Clear as mud? Robert
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 19:06 |
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There is a reason they are cheap, they cost a lot more to operate. I was talking last night with Thierry at Air Journey. On the trip around the world a TBM will burn 5500 gallons total fuel, his Mustang 9700 gallons. Average fuel cost with airport fees avg $8 per gals on these trips. Do the maths. And the Mustang is at the bottom of the food chain as a jet. Thats just fuel we havent talk about maintenance yet. Username Protected wrote: Mark stop egging me on You know I want one, ain't gonna do it!!!! Need to graduate to a turboprop first. Doing exactly what you told me to!! Ha! Problem is you can get a jet for the price of a turbo prop...actually less. Market anamoly. Queue the "ya but what about the operating cost" posts in 3, 2, 1.. C 
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 19:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: CJ - CJ, CJ1, CJ1+, CJ2, CJ2+, CJ3, CJ4,(525, 525A, 525B, 525C) require a 525 type rating and can be flown single pilot by a qualified pilot. Normal recurrent
You can have either a 525 type rating that qualifies you to be PIC with a SIC otherwise known as a crew rating or a 525S rating that qualifies you to fly SP or with a SIC. The Citation Mustang is a 510 type with a 510 or 510S rating. There is only one Citation 500 type rating. A pilot with a Citation 500 type rating can fly a Citation 500 or 550 with a SIC, and fly a Citation 501 or 551 single pilot or crew. To fly a 500 or 550 single pilot requires a single pilot exemption in addition to the 500 type rating. The single pilot exemption is a LOA from the FAA that certain training providers are allowed to issue and need to be renewed annually.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 19:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thats just fuel we havent talk about maintenance yet.
Folks who have moved up from a TBM to a Mustang, and there have been many of them, say they spend less on maintenance for their Mustang then they did on their TBM. I have not yet heard of anyone moving from a Mustang to a TBM. 
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 22:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: Average fuel cost with airport fees avg $8 per gals on these trips. I see lots of foreign airports with cheap fuel, so I find the $8 average hard to believe. Quote: And the Mustang is at the bottom of the food chain as a jet. The smallest shark still eats the biggest minnow. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 22:43 |
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I dont believe that. The first owner of the TBM 900 came from a Mustang, he says on his weekly 2 hrs trip flight he arrives wittin 5 minutes of the Mustang. Flying around the world there is a lot of expensive fuel and fees. Username Protected wrote: Thats just fuel we havent talk about maintenance yet.
Folks who have moved up from a TBM to a Mustang, and there have been many of them, say they spend less on maintenance for their Mustang then they did on their TBM. I have not yet heard of anyone moving from a Mustang to a TBM. 
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 23:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thats just fuel we havent talk about maintenance yet.
Folks who have moved up from a TBM to a Mustang, and there have been many of them, say they spend less on maintenance for their Mustang then they did on their TBM. I have not yet heard of anyone moving from a Mustang to a TBM. 
My first thought is they must have an older TBM and a new Mustang. And there are a lot of variables like engine programs. It seems hard to believe that you can maintain a twin engine jet for less than a SETP if the age, condition, warranty use, etc. is held the same.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 23:40 |
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Yes and the TBM as free maintenance and full warranty for the first 5 year. Pretty hard to beat that.
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