It is too bad we don't have visibility into the OEM costs here, but I believe this isn't true.

That is, buying one FJ33 from Williams is about the same price as buying two PW610F from PWC. Williams has to price in added liability as an engine failure in a single is far more liability than in a twin. Further, it would be using an already developed engine on the shelf instead of a custom unique one with low volume expectations.

The near equal cost is particularly true when you consider the additional costs for being an SEJ including extra development time, the chute, and all the V tail control mechanisms (such as the dual yaw dampers).

In the end, total dollars in and out, Cirrus would be ahead if the SF50 was a twin. They would also sell more of them which amortizes the development costs over more units.

Mike C.

My next ones would be "what does the engine program cost?" and "what does the airframe parts/maintenance program cost?"

Both programs will be in an early discount phase as is typical for brand new airplanes, but it would be interesting to know, especially if there is already an agreed upon "normal" price.

Mike C.

Since aviation is more often an emotional purchase and selection; I think the Cirrus emphasis is just fine and likely very successful.

Tim

It is too bad we don't have visibility into the OEM costs here, but I believe this isn't true.

I understand the point Mike is trying to make and his comments are likely accurate. However, Cirrus has studied the market for their products and they have customers that need a product to progress to from the SR22, a high performance single engine airplane. I think it's a fair assumption that Cirrus owners and prospective owners don't give 2 sh!ts about having 2 engines if one engine will do the job. Therefore Cirrus designed, built, and certified a product that is appealing to their customer base. They don't give a damn what I think, or what Mike C thinks, or anyone else that prefers multiple engines over one. They only care about what their customer base is interested in and meeting those needs within the regs. Why build a multi engine aircraft if your core customer doesn't perceive the second engine to provide any value?

We know better than to continue on with the one vs two or more debate. There is a camp for each, and both camps can defend their turf pretty well.

In addition, if Cirrus were to build a multi-engine aircraft in the future for some reason, I believe it would be because their customers are asking for one. I also believe that they will likely build one, as the next step will likely require it as a possible solution for pressurization redundancy.

now back to the regular programming.

I think Brent needs to be banned. Logic and valid analysis is not allowed here. This is where BT thrives in the realm of armchair internet experts!

Tim

I think Brent needs to be banned. Logic and valid analysis is not allowed here. This is where BT thrives in the realm of armchair internet experts!

Tim

Tim needs to apply his 'green thumb' more (green font).

Back to regular programming?????????????????

if only I could figure out how to use green font

Brent,

That was well said. I agree with you. Furthermore, all aircraft manufacturers have historically had a model progression for their customers. It's no different for Cirrus. In the old days, once a pilot was ready to move up from a 210 or a Bonanza, it was on to a 310 or a Baron. With today's market, I think Cirrus wanted to differentiate themselves from the SETP world, whether it made complete sense or not. They've definitely made themselves stand out from the crowd. Who knows? Maybe the next Cirrus jet will be a twin. Regardless, I hope they sell a bunch of the SF50.

A twin engine Cirrus jet would be a:

Mustang
M2
Phenom 100
HondaJet
EclipseJet

The sector is already overbuilt.

True, but one can only speculate. Like Brent said, Cirrus will listen to what their customers want.

I agree the option may be appealing to Cirrus owners looking to move up but if they did it I think they would need to make it much larger than the SF50. I'm just not sold that's the direction the company wants to go. Cirrus is more of a "never fly commercial again" type of company and I agree with them. The guy getting frisked by TSA is their customer. Bill Gates is not a Cirrus buyer.

True- Bill likes getting frisked.