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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 05 Jun 2024, 08:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Great post, Tony.
I remember reading Richard Bach's Nothing By Chance where his riders say something like:
"This barnstorming is great, I wish I could do this!"
Dick would invite them along on the spot, and they'd demur.
This is going to be the best summer of flying ever for me. I'm going to perfect my Stearman acro. I'm getting my instructor certificates reinstated. I spent the last three years teaching at the airline as a check pilot and had forgotten just how much I truly love flight instruction and how It's one of the few things I'm pretty good at. When I've hung up my helmet and scarf, the only meaningful part of my flying career that will live on when I'm gone is the students I've taught and the crews I've evaluated.
I'm also getting a glider add-on. I'm flying the UPRT course at the NTPS in the Macchi Impala & Sabreliner.
And if all goes well I'm starting a biplane tour company to set some of my money on fire in the most fun way possible.
I'll post the details as I go.
Thanks for the inspiration, Tony! A friend of mine is restoring the Parks P2 that Rob chronicled in that book.
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 05 Jun 2024, 18:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Great post, Tony.
I remember reading Richard Bach's Nothing By Chance where his riders say something like:
"This barnstorming is great, I wish I could do this!"
Dick would invite them along on the spot, and they'd demur.
This is going to be the best summer of flying ever for me. I'm going to perfect my Stearman acro. I'm getting my instructor certificates reinstated. I spent the last three years teaching at the airline as a check pilot and had forgotten just how much I truly love flight instruction and how It's one of the few things I'm pretty good at. When I've hung up my helmet and scarf, the only meaningful part of my flying career that will live on when I'm gone is the students I've taught and the crews I've evaluated.
I'm also getting a glider add-on. I'm flying the UPRT course at the NTPS in the Macchi Impala & Sabreliner.
And if all goes well I'm starting a biplane tour company to set some of my money on fire in the most fun way possible.
I'll post the details as I go.
Thanks for the inspiration, Tony! A friend of mine is restoring the Parks P2 that Rob chronicled in that book.
Tell us more about that! I found it interesting that he wrecked it on his first flight and broke a 30 inch wheel. People rallied to help him - just like pilots always do - and someone loaned him a wheel to get home.
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 05 Jun 2024, 18:52 |
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Flight Training is Tough on Airplanes - But Back in the Day it Was Really Tough!
As I'm putting the finishing touches on the first draft of my website before release we're working on getting some historical information documented along with restoration descriptions and photos. Today I was going through the FAA records for my UMF 3. It was put in the Civilian Pilot Training Program with Hullendorf Flying Service in Helena, Mountana in 1940 and made it to 1943.
During the period of May 1940 to June 1943 it was involved in 20 separate accidents! It was completely rebuilt twice, had numerous ailerons, wing ribs and wing bows replaced as well as entire wings (top and bottom). It went through props, wheel pants and cowls like nobody's business.
It had take off accidents, landing accidents, structural failures due to fatigue, taxied into other aircraft twice and a hangar once. No one seems to have been killed or even hurt. Often the times of the pilots were reported as 30-40 hours. I wonder how many of them went on to fly in Europe or the Pacific?
Cessna 172's have taken their toll over decades but nothing like this! It goes to show how difficult it is to see and taxi a big biplane on the ground, how non intuitive adverse yaw is and how it can bite you even taxiing or taking off not just turning. It shows that you can never relax your guard or be careless (as was cited on at least two occasions).
Poor thing didn't make it through the war. Sometime prior to the spring of 1945 it was deemed hopeless and the engine, prop and useful avionics removed and it was towed next to the ramp to lie derelict. It was sold out of the training program first for $30 and resold shortly after for $15. Then in April 1945, the airport manager was burning grass and it caught fire and burned up. Removed from the registry April 3, 1945 it ceased to exist as an airplane until restored sixty six years and three weeks later on April 23, 2011.
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 05 Jun 2024, 21:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tell us more about that! I found it interesting that he wrecked it on his first flight and broke a 30 inch wheel. People rallied to help him - just like pilots always do - and someone loaned him a wheel to get home. It was bought as a project in need of some love, but complete. New upper wings and center section have been built, starting on the lowers. I think the engine was sent out recently. He loves projects with history.
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 05 Jun 2024, 22:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: It was bought as a project in need of some love, but complete. New upper wings and center section have been built, starting on the lowers. I think the engine was sent out recently. He loves projects with history. Glad to hear that it’s being worked on. I considered reaching out to the Fort Worth attorney that owned it about fifteen years ago, but life got in the way. It will be nice to see a Vermillion red and canary yellow NC499H flying again.
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 05 Jun 2024, 23:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: Flight Training is Tough on Airplanes - But Back in the Day it Was Really Tough!
As I'm putting the finishing touches on the first draft of my website before release we're working on getting some historical information documented along with restoration descriptions and photos. Today I was going through the FAA records for my UMF 3. It was put in the Civilian Pilot Training Program with Hullendorf Flying Service in Helena, Mountana in 1940 and made it to 1943.
During the period of May 1940 to June 1943 it was involved in 20 separate accidents! It was completely rebuilt twice, had numerous ailerons, wing ribs and wing bows replaced as well as entire wings (top and bottom). It went through props, wheel pants and cowls like nobody's business.
It had take off accidents, landing accidents, structural failures due to fatigue, taxied into other aircraft twice and a hangar once. No one seems to have been killed or even hurt. Often the times of the pilots were reported as 30-40 hours. I wonder how many of them went on to fly in Europe or the Pacific?
Cessna 172's have taken their toll over decades but nothing like this! It goes to show how difficult it is to see and taxi a big biplane on the ground, how non intuitive adverse yaw is and how it can bite you even taxiing or taking off not just turning. It shows that you can never relax your guard or be careless (as was cited on at least two occasions).
Poor thing didn't make it through the war. Sometime prior to the spring of 1945 it was deemed hopeless and the engine, prop and useful avionics removed and it was towed next to the ramp to lie derelict. It was sold out of the training program first for $30 and resold shortly after for $15. Then in April 1945, the airport manager was burning grass and it caught fire and burned up. Removed from the registry April 3, 1945 it ceased to exist as an airplane until restored sixty six years and three weeks later on April 23, 2011. Tony, that’s incredible. Was anything left besides the data plate?
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 06 Jun 2024, 08:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: Flight Training is Tough on Airplanes - But Back in the Day it Was Really Tough!
As I'm putting the finishing touches on the first draft of my website before release we're working on getting some historical information documented along with restoration descriptions and photos. Today I was going through the FAA records for my UMF 3. It was put in the Civilian Pilot Training Program with Hullendorf Flying Service in Helena, Mountana in 1940 and made it to 1943.
During the period of May 1940 to June 1943 it was involved in 20 separate accidents! It was completely rebuilt twice, had numerous ailerons, wing ribs and wing bows replaced as well as entire wings (top and bottom). It went through props, wheel pants and cowls like nobody's business.
It had take off accidents, landing accidents, structural failures due to fatigue, taxied into other aircraft twice and a hangar once. No one seems to have been killed or even hurt. Often the times of the pilots were reported as 30-40 hours. I wonder how many of them went on to fly in Europe or the Pacific?
Cessna 172's have taken their toll over decades but nothing like this! It goes to show how difficult it is to see and taxi a big biplane on the ground, how non intuitive adverse yaw is and how it can bite you even taxiing or taking off not just turning. It shows that you can never relax your guard or be careless (as was cited on at least two occasions).
Poor thing didn't make it through the war. Sometime prior to the spring of 1945 it was deemed hopeless and the engine, prop and useful avionics removed and it was towed next to the ramp to lie derelict. It was sold out of the training program first for $30 and resold shortly after for $15. Then in April 1945, the airport manager was burning grass and it caught fire and burned up. Removed from the registry April 3, 1945 it ceased to exist as an airplane until restored sixty six years and three weeks later on April 23, 2011. Tony, that’s incredible. Was anything left besides the data plate?
The wheel pants, throttle, fuselage tubing and some other bits and odds survived. My friend Barry Branin bought the remains and brought it to Los Angeles and gave it to Dave Allen and he restored it at the same time as he restored Barry's original YMF 5. Along the way other original parts were found to add to both planes. The fuselage tubing was all deemed unusable and Barry and Dave had new ones built. An early Waco Classic crashed in Hawaii and Barry bought the wings for the hardware. So, there is a little DNA from 134 and a littl from 1986 buried under the skin. I'll have detailed restoration photos and narrative on the website.
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 06 Jun 2024, 15:15 |
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Steve Krog writes a really good column in RAA SPORT AVIATION magazine every month. Last month’s article is about the need to teach and learn how to fly the airplane by feel, attitude and customary power settings. He discusses that many instructors don’t teach these skills today, and many may not have them themselves. He talks about thr necessary ability to fly small planes looking outside and without constant reference to instruments.
He poses the hypothetical- what would you do, how would you get on the ground safely, if something, like your ASI, stopped working?
Read that last week and thought “I’m good. I can do that. But I should cover up the gauges and go practice as it’s been awhile.”.
Went joy riding at lunch today in the F24 and climbed up to 4,500 to cool off. As I began making my descent to the airport I glanced at my ASI and noticed it was pegged in the yellow at 160 mph. I’m not sure it will go 160 in a dive! i mentioned in a recent post that the ASI is venturi driven and not especially accurate (Steve makes the point in his article that MOST small planes’s ASI’s are significantly inaccurate).
My reaction? In my best Alfred E. Neumann impersonation I said “What, me worry?” and continued my approach. I pulled the stick back and forth a couple of times to see if increasing/decreasing rate of descent would “fix it”. No joy. As I got lower it moved off the peg and fluttered around 120 so I quit looking and just focused on pitch attitude, RPM and control feel. Made a nice landing and as I was rolling out I noticed I was still going 80mph. Not!
Steve’s article is worth reading. And his suggestions worth practicing too.
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 14 Jun 2024, 12:20 |
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[quote="Daniel A. Johnson"]Great post, Tony.
I remember reading Richard Bach's Nothing By Chance where his riders say something like:
"This barnstorming is great, I wish I could do this!" [\quote]
Sometimes it’s fun to let someone else fly you. We’ve been on Orcas Island a few days and Indecided to take a biplane tour of the islands. Little did I know that I’d be meeting new friends Stu and Roni MacPherson, who it turns out, I have lots of friends in common with. We talked for a lot longer than we flew but the flying was terrific fun with Stu doing wingovers above anchored sailboats and flying 20 feet above the water. The scenery is amazing.
Stu was a parachute jumper for a few years with Bach in his show and flew in the movie. A semi retired dentist he and Roni split time between San Juan Island and San Diego. Roni is an accomplished pilot herself and it was funny to listen to her critique Stu’s landing.
If you’re ever there it’s 45 minutes of pure fun!
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Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid Posted: 14 Jun 2024, 13:31 |
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The minute you wrote Stu McPherson, I knew exactly who you were taking about. Thats a great looking Travel Air. I need to fly the Stearman up there this summer and take a ride and have him sign his picture in my copy of Nothing By Chance.
Nine crosswind TOL’s and one go-around yesterday in my blue & yellow Sensei. Also, a 2.5G bounce with a nice three point recovery on my first attempt. Less energy than I thought I had and a little bit of sink. Forty one years this summer and I’m still eagerly learning and trying to perfect my flying.
How lucky am I?
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