BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 11:57

Username Protected wrote:

You think

There are some absolutes. New planes never go down in price. Few make money on low price points in aviation. The laws of aerodynamics and gravity continue to hold fast.

Yes, I think you're assuming way too much. The next closest competitor is over $4MM... more than 2X the cost of an SF50. So even if the SF50 went up in price it's still cheaper.

Also...... a new SR22T is almost $1MM.

You don't know what the price of the SF50 will be in a few years. No, it won't go down... It will go up... but so will all of the competition. In 2008 a PC12NG was $3.2MM. Now a PC12 NG is $4.9MM. Same airplane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 12:02

If I had the $$ and an M600 and SF50 were both sitting on the ramp, I'd have to really consider the (2) options. The M600 checks off a lot of boxes and is really the only new option that you can directly compare to the SF50. Everything else is FAR more costly. The main key would be the regular missions. If most of my missions were 400-800nm, the SF50 would be hard to turn down. If I had a regular need to go 1,000nm, the case for the M600 is hard to beat.

Both great options and what a joy to even have those (2) different options to choose from. 5 years ago, those (2) choices weren't available.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 12:03

Username Protected wrote:

You think

There are some absolutes. New planes never go down in price. Few make money on low price points in aviation. The laws of aerodynamics and gravity continue to hold fast.

Yes, I think you're assuming way too much. The next closest competitor is over $4MM... more than 2X the cost of an SF50. So even if the SF50 went up in price it's still cheaper.

Also...... a new SR22T is almost $1MM.

You don't know what the price of the SF50 will be in a few years. No, it won't go down... It will go up... but so will all of the competition. In 2008 a PC12NG was $3.2MM. Now a PC12 NG is $4.9MM. Same airplane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 12:05

Username Protected wrote:

The next closest competitor is over $4MM... more than 2X the cost of an SF50. So even if the SF50 went up in price it's still cheaper.

I don't think 4m planes are competitors. If someone is willing to spend 4m on a plane they won't pick the SF50. The competition is a Meridian M500, and maybe M600... and people who might otherwise pick a new SR22.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 12:07

Username Protected wrote:

The M500 and M600 are direct competitors, the M500 is 1.99 base, the M600 has a 2.89 base. Of course more with options, although some of the options on the SF50 like radar, are standard on the M-class. The Epic if it comes to market, also looks very competitive. If promises hold, will fly faster, higher and farther. But back to my point. You can't get one right now, if you are not a position holder, so there is no retail market.

So M500 and M600 are in the same ballpark and probably in most cases more money.

Don't quote the vaporware Epic. You have no idea what it will cost or if it will ever even get to market.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 12:08

Username Protected wrote:

The next closest competitor is over $4MM... more than 2X the cost of an SF50. So even if the SF50 went up in price it's still cheaper.

I don't think 4m planes are competitors. If someone is willing to spend 4m on a plane they won't pick the SF50. The competition is a Meridian M500, and maybe M600... and people who might otherwise pick a new SR22.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 12:09

Username Protected wrote:

I don't think 4m planes are competitors.

I never said they were "competitors".

I said.... "want a better airplane than the SF50? Pay more money and go buy one"

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 12:09

Username Protected wrote:

The M500 and M600 are direct competitors, the M500 is 1.99 base, the M600 has a 2.89 base. Of course more with options, although some of the options on the SF50 like radar, are standard on the M-class. The Epic if it comes to market, also looks very competitive. If promises hold, will fly faster, higher and farther. But back to my point. You can't get one right now, if you are not a position holder, so there is no retail market.

So M500 and M600 are in the same ballpark and probably in most cases more money.

Don't quote the vaporware Epic. You have no idea what it will cost or if it will ever even get to market.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Oct 2017, 12:15

Username Protected wrote:

Yeah, but you can get an M500 and an M600 today... Well production is max'd out, so you would have to put in an order, but would definitely get one before you could get an SF50.

You're not making a point right now and you're attempting to change the subject.

We're not discussing lead times. We're comparing prices of CURRENTLY CERTIFIED airplanes that a person can order.