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 Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid
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Sometimes this biplane flying is hard. We came back from the flyin Saturday afternoon and the winds had picked up quite a bit. The windsock was standing straight out perpendicular to the runway and bouncing.

Now, Sonoma Skypark can be an intimidating airport. The runway is asphalt 40 feet wide. Plenty long at about 2,400 feet. But the trees at the approach end of 26, which is the preferred runway, are about 100 feet tall. The first few times you look at it it’s intimidating. Well, ok, it always looks that way…

Coming over the trees, inside of the big house on the hill that marks the downwind to base turning point, there was a lot of moderately bumpy burble. You need to be fairly close
to the trees, or at least it seems like it, to not be too high on short final. A bit of a slip helps.

I bounced it! Power up and go around. Second try it looks, or rather feels like, I am getting pushed near the runway edge. Go around.

Third time is the charm right? No. I’m pushed off the line over the trees, correcting it’s not where I want to be over the threshold. I’m too fast. This is getting frustrating. Try to force it. That’s not a good idea. Go around.

Fourth try my friend in the front hole suggests a longer final. I try that. Good forward slip with good vis it “feels” better as we get kicked around over the trees. Stick all the way over I tell myself “just hold it off”. A touch of power and the mains squeak on. Now I’m pedaling for all I’m worth. Keep pushing the stick up and finally the tail just won’t stay up. A little bang and stick in my gut and tail wheel is pinned. Not much energy is left but it’s not over. A big gust tries to push me off but a tap on the brakes and we are stopped. Half way down the runway down and stopped thank goodness in about 1500 feet!

We taxi to the fuel pumps, shut down and I just sit there for a minute. Feeling tired. But also good. I ruined the day of the guy I saw shooting photos from
his truck. He’s thinking “darn it, the Waco didnt crash!”. I see him drive off, unstrap and climb out glad to be back on the ground.

A few minutes later I’m standing on a ladder squeezing gas in the tank and I notice the wind sock. It’s flying at half mast (8 knots) pointing straight down the runway. Some days timing is everything… :pilot:


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 Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid
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Tony - I puckered up reading your account and can relate having been in similar conditions. My question is, did you have a plan B? Call me a chicken but I have a mental policy to have a Plan B and execute it after 2 or depending on the conditions, 3 tries.


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Speaking of landings. I loved flying my first Stearman. Standard wheels, could grease it on in the 3-point without any trouble whatsoever - even in some pretty gusty spring-in-Texas crosswinds. Then I traded it for the one I have now.

This one has the T-6 wheels and tires (a popular cropduster mod which is probably where it got them) and a stance that was a few inches higher in the front. Despite a number of cross country trips and hundreds of hours without incident, I still cannot get into a cadence with landing the thing. The angle, sight picture, ability to anticipate, flare timely etc. All feel dorky and improvised. Oh, I can make okay landings in it and if you rode with me you might not even notice, but I have to pay attention on each one like it is my first day checking out. All that said: I do believe this airplane taught me how to fly tailwheel. I was forced to learn how to turn chicken droppings into chicken salad.

Making a virtue of necessity, if you will. :rofl:

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 Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid
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Tony - I puckered up reading your account and can relate having been in similar conditions. My question is, did you have a plan B? Call me a chicken but I have a mental policy to have a Plan B and execute it after 2 or depending on the conditions, 3 tries.


Alex,

Thanks for the question. It's made me think about it.

I never thought the safe outcome of the flight was in doubt at the time. I can see in retrospect that it might have been. Each attempt was challenging and my technique each try was not as good as it should have been and importantly what I'm capable of.

Napa (KAPC) has a wide and long north south runway with open approaches and I could have gone there. I probably should have.

So, hopefully my original post can serve as a description of both the challenges we can get ourselves into, how weather or winds can rapidly change and create unexpected risk, the debate we can get into in the moment between task fixation, skill and conditions. And, importantly, as you point out, having a plan B with a predetermined trigger, can be a good way of helping us make a safe(r) decision in a moment of stress.

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 Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid
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As a side note to your story, I have been in a handful of situations where I have been uneasy with the winds on the Waco (gusty and crossed). When my son was looking at colleges, we decided it would be fun to visit schools on the Waco and made a trip around some of the Texas schools (A&M, UT-Austin, Rice, SMU, TCU, Baylor). Of course the weather didn't cooperate. On our visit to A&M the main runway was closed and the wind was gusty and blowing 90 degrees from the runway in use - before I attempted the landing, I told myself - "one try - if it does not look good, we'll just fly to Bryan". Things turned out very well, but I was prepared to divert before I tried.

On the Citation, I try to adhere to the same rigor on instrument approaches - 2 misses, and I'm diverting - or even 1 miss depending on the circumstances. We are not perfect and some days we perform better than others, but at least forcing ourselves to some structure to reject risk helps us fly another day.

As the saying goes, exceptional pilots use their exceptional judgement to stay out of situations that will require the use of their exceptional skills.


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I think it was Tom G who told the story of a scary crosswind when he was a student in a tailwheel trainer (Champ, maybe?) When he asked the instructor what they were going to do, the instructor replied (as I recall), "You're going to fly your best crosswind technique and land. If it isn't working, we'll go around and I'll use my best crosswind technique and land. If that doesn't work, we'll go somewhere else."

As I've gotten better at crosswinds in the 185, I've become much more conservative and rigid about what I'm willing to try. I imagine a Waco makes a 185 look easy.


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One of the things my Dad (7000+ hour tailwheel pilot in every kind of airplane) taught me was that if the crosswind is such that you can't land, most light taildraggers will land slow enough such that you can land on a taxiway or even the ramp into that wind. Not saying it's legal, or that you shouldn't go somewhere else if you can, just saying it works. I never had to do it but Dad did.


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When Budd Davisson checked me out for my PItts S2A, he said: "There's no landing that you absolutely HAVE to make: the only landing you absolutely HAVE to make is if you are out of fuel or on fire... If you don't like what is happening on landing, push the throttle, add another .1 to the Hobbs, and try again for a more controlled landing".
Tony's post on 4/29 stuck with me after I read it. I came back to my home field a few days later, after an invigorating acro practice. The winds were 90 degrees to the runway, with the windsock making it obvious to all observers that it did not suffer from erectile dysfunction or glossophobia... I gave it a go, but on short final, it just didn't feel right. I powered up and went to the airport next door, with wide runways and better wind orientation.
Taxied up to the tiedowns, chocked it, and took the cushion out of the front hole. Napped under the wing until dusk. When I woke up, the winds were calm, and I flew home. No drama.
Thank you, Budd, and thank you, Tony.

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 Post subject: Re: Biplane Thread - Experiences, Tips, PIREPS, Pics and Vid
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One of the things my Dad (7000+ hour tailwheel pilot in every kind of airplane) taught me was that if the crosswind is such that you can't land, most light taildraggers will land slow enough such that you can land on a taxiway or even the ramp into that wind. Not saying it's legal, or that you shouldn't go somewhere else if you can, just saying it works. I never had to do it but Dad did.


Perfectly legal.

"I'm declaring an emergency and landing on the ramp."

Back in the nineties when I was timebuilding for my instrument rating, I got caught out at FDK when a dry front had come through. Equally cross on both runways.

I somehow wrestled the Aeronca Champ to the ground, but could barely taxi in. DIdn't have the experience then to have done the right thing, which was declare an emergency and land across the runway. The rollout would have been less than the width of either runway.


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Brodhead Airport PIREP

Broadhead Airport lies just outside the sleepy little village of Brodhead, Wisconsin which is located just across the Illinois border amid gently rolling terrain filled with corn fields and grass runways. After the war Dick Weedn came to the nearly abandoned place to begin restoring his Rearwin airplane and in the process laid the foundation for a unique and vibrant antique aircraft community.

We arrived in Janesville on Friday morning and as we drove into the Brodhead airport the Kelch Museum, located on its grounds, was surrounded by several hundred cars. When I met Pat Weedn, Dick's son and the Museum's director the next day, he told me his Dad had passed away the week before. The cars were there for a memorial service in memory of the airport's founding father.

A few months ago I asked a friend in California to let me know if he learned of a hangar available here as I wanted to take one my biplanes up for the flying season. There was room in his hangar and we are sharing for the summer with his newly restored Fleet. My plan is to attend First Ditch, MAAC, Airventure and the National Waco Club fly ins, and perhaps a couple more, from here.

There are three nice grass runways here and hangar owners have a club house in addition to the museum to hang out in. There are a few dozen hangars, some quite nice and a few ramshackle ones which have seen better days. But there are lots of neat airplanes!

We spent the rest of Friday cleaning a thousand nautical miles of oil, grease, dirt and bugs off my UMF 3 and called it a day. As we were to learn in the morning that was close to a complete waste of time - there are trillions of bugs here and I killed seemingly a few hundred thousand on each flight! At a relaxed and reasonable hour Saturday morning we needed gas and headed out across brown fields with corn just beginning to peep up to my favorite airport Poplar Grove about 30 miles away in Illinois.

After fueling I made a dozen landings on C77's fairway like runways and headed back to Brodhead (C37). As we switched frequencies there seemed to be a lot of folks headed that way! After landing we discovered a mental health group was having a tradeshow and hot dog lunch. They were happy to feed us and we accepted. The Rolls Royce and Bentley clubs were eating at the other end of the museum. Someone said their meal was catered to which I replied "of course!"

After lunch we visited the museum which has a really nice collection:

https://www.kelchmuseum.org/

Then we headed back to Monroe where we were staying for a nap. All this antique aviation business is tiring for us antique pilots you know! In the early evening we were back out there for some Golden Hour pattern work. Campers and a few club house denizens were on hand to grade my landings and a low pass or two. What fun!

The next morning we were out there early at 7:30 though the sun and bugs had been up for hours. A quick jaunt over to Albertus (KFEP) for gas killed more insects and we got to use both of their beautiful grass runways. As I was landing I though "I've been here before." It turned out I wasn't having a deja vu moment as I was actually there last September when we stopped for gas on the way home from Faribault, MN in my UPF 7.

Again, as we got closer to Brodhead on the return leg, there was a lot of radio chatter from pilots landing there. We got in line and joined several dozen hungry aviators arriving for pancakes, coffee and hangar flying. Wandering around I met several people I'd heard of before, had some fun conversations about airplanes, saw some pretty ones and just generally had a great Sunday morning.

All fun things seem to come to an end too quickly and that happened here too as I realized we need to clean the plane again and head home. As we left I was jealous of the people still arriving and opening hangar doors to go fly a camping chair or airplane. I can't wait to go back as I will in about 10 days to attend First Ditch fly in in LeSeur, MN.


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Coming soon my online antique airplane museum "Dream Wacos & Antique Aircraft at http://www.dreamwacos.com:

Very cool Tony! Is this going to be a collection scattered around the country? Would love to meet up and fly together some time. So how many Wacos do you own by now?


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Coming soon my online antique airplane museum "Dream Wacos & Antique Aircraft at http://www.dreamwacos.com:

Very cool Tony! Is this going to be a collection scattered around the country? Would love to meet up and fly together some time. So how many Wacos do you own by now?


Hi Alex,

Sort of. I live part time in two places so I have hangars and planes in each. Last year my wife observed that I found excuses not to go to fly ins far away as the time drew near. I had to admit to myself that while I really enjoying flying in open cockpit biplanes I don't enjoy it much after a couple of hours. Heat, vibration, noise and ultimately boredom slogging along take their toll. A friend had the idea of putting his plane in the Midwest for the summer so that it would be easier to get to some of the fly ins and that idea answered my issue and another friend had space in his hangar. So my plan is to leave one plane up in Brodhead for the flying season and then bring it home in the fall. One 800 mile round trip instead of excuses...

I currently own 5 Wacos. I have a 1936 YKS 6 cabin which was restored 24 years ago and which I'm doing a mini restoration on and overhauled engine despite its only having 59 hours TTAFE. I hope that's flying this summer. I have a 1933 UBF 2 and it is with the cabin in California. My UMF 3 is currently in Brodhead for the summer and my UPF 7 is in Oklahoma City. Nando Mendoza at West Coast Air Creations (https://www.westcoastaircreations.com/) is restoring a 1935 YMF 5 for me which I hope will be finished in time for Airventure 2026. Rob Lock is finishing the restoration of a 1929 Travel Air B4000 (https://waldowrights.com/restorations/) which will be ready for the Barnstormers Tour honoring the 100th anniversary of Travel Air, and Airventure, next summer. I am looking for a RNF/INF/KNF/MNF Waco to basically complete the F series.

Anyway, I thought a website would be easier than a museum to display them. These airplanes are such amazing works of art, beautiful examples of early aviation technology and fabulous links to our past I want others to be able to see and experience them if possible.

Maybe we could get together in the fall at Ranger? CK is on the board there and hopefully will make the fly in as well. https://www.rangerairfield.org/events. Or let's keep trying to find a different time.

I'm going to First Ditch next week: https://marginalaviation.org/first-ditch/. The National Waco Club Reunion in June: https://www.nationalwacoclub.com/reunion/. Airventure in July:https://www.eaa.org/airventure. The Midwest Antique Airplane Club members fly in at Brodhead in September: https://www.maacgrassroots.net/. Last Ditch at the end of September in northern California: https://marginalaviation.org/marginal-events/ and then wrapping up at Ranger the first weekend of October. Some of these (the Marginal and MAAC events) are members only but its easy and cheap to be a member - I'd encourage everyone who loves old airplanes to come to any of them.

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I really enjoyed reading about your airplanes last month, Tony.

I'm curious: everybody I've ever talked to with experience in both the Waco and Stearman like the Stearman better.

What's your take? I've got half a mind to buy Marc Hightower's Model 10 and start a part time tour business out here, but hangar space is a problem.


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I really enjoyed reading about your airplanes last month, Tony.

I'm curious: everybody I've ever talked to with experience in both the Waco and Stearman like the Stearman better.

What's your take? I've got half a mind to buy Marc Hightower's Model 10 and start a part time tour business out here, but hangar space is a problem.
I would say “it depends”. The Stearman is spartan, rowdy and bare. Spending more than two or three hours in a Stearman would make for a long day. The Waco is more comfortable, well mannered and beautifully balanced. It is also faster and has a better fit and finish as well as beautiful to look at. If you want to do aerobatics, the Waco with four ailerons (instead of two in a stock Stearman) does loops, cuban eights and barrel rolls like it’s on rails. Nonetheless, I would say they are both a hoot to fly. Pick your poison.


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