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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 30 May 2017, 12:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: Those who've seen the SF50 coming in to land, what's it's landing attitude look like? [youtube]https://youtu.be/HSkUgP81EcU[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 30 May 2017, 12:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: In the case of every production jet that I know of, the fully configured landing attitude is nose high, meaning that if you don't flare at all, you'll land on the mains first. You can't do that in a piston plane or you'll bounce off the nosewheel. "Piston" is pretty broad. Are you saying it will be different coming from a piston single, like most Cirrus step up buyers will be? I don't believe the SR22 is particularly easy to land as compared to a Bonanza. Speed and power control are more important in the Cirrus. I see Bonanza pilots with a WIDE range of techniques.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 30 May 2017, 12:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Those who've seen the SF50 coming in to land, what's it's landing attitude look like? [youtube]https://youtu.be/HSkUgP81EcU[/youtube]
see, there is the proof. The plane goes out of frame and and the movie resumes with a different shot on a taxiway. Clearly, they cut out the part where it ran off the end and they had to tow it back onto the hard surface.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 30 May 2017, 16:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: In the case of every production jet that I know of, the fully configured landing attitude is nose high, meaning that if you don't flare at all, you'll land on the mains first. You can't do that in a piston plane or you'll bounce off the nosewheel. "Piston" is pretty broad. Are you saying it will be different coming from a piston single, like most Cirrus step up buyers will be? I don't believe the SR22 is particularly easy to land as compared to a Bonanza. Speed and power control are more important in the Cirrus. I see Bonanza pilots with a WIDE range of techniques.
No, I understand that there is some variation in sight picture between piston singles (and twins), but what I mean is that jets as a group (and some turboprops as well) have a deck angle when at their approach speed, that is either flat, or slightly nose-high, meaning that if you made no input to flare, the mains would still hit first. That is completely different from a piston plane where the approach attitude at approach speed is nose low.
The video of the SF50 above looks fairly "jet-like" in its attitude, similar to a Phenom 100, or other light jet. This flight attitude permits what Dave was talking about with a "working landing" or just planting it and getting on the brakes. You simply can't do that in a piston plane or you will end up bouncing off of the nose gear.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 30 May 2017, 16:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: The video of the SF50 above looks fairly "jet-like" in its attitude, similar to a Phenom 100, or other light jet. This flight attitude permits what Dave was talking about with a "working landing" or just planting it and getting on the brakes. You simply can't do that in a piston plane or you will end up bouncing off of the nose gear. The Cirrus SR20, Piper Seminole, and Aerostar all were flat or nose high. I am pretty sure the Columbia 350 is the same. But overall, I agree with your position that Cessna, as one of the dominate trainers, comes in nose low. Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 04 Jun 2017, 21:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: The video of the SF50 above looks fairly "jet-like" in its attitude, similar to a Phenom 100, or other light jet. This flight attitude permits what Dave was talking about with a "working landing" or just planting it and getting on the brakes. You simply can't do that in a piston plane or you will end up bouncing off of the nose gear. I watched that video a few times and stopping when the plane is about 50' AGL it clearly looks (to me) that the nosewheel is slightly (a few inches) lower than the mains and there's definitely a slight pitch up shortly before touchdown.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Jun 2017, 12:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: Can't seem to read without a subscription.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Jun 2017, 12:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Can't seem to read without a subscription.
Worked for me without any sub.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Jun 2017, 12:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: Worked for me without any sub. I've done it 3 times now. Leave the window up for 30seconds and I get an ad asking me to subscribe.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Jun 2017, 12:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: Worked for me without any sub. I've done it 3 times now. Leave the window up for 30seconds and I get an ad asking me to subscribe.
X out of the subscribe window and then you can read the article.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Jun 2017, 14:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looking at the factory photos and planes in process, and it seems that a new 172 should still sell for $40,000.................
And $80,000 for a new A36................... I agree..... However, we all know it's not the "mechanics" of an airplane we're paying for.... It's the legal fees.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 06 Jun 2017, 21:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: More positive press: FAKE NEWS!!!! Mike C. 
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