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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 15 May 2017, 15:56 |
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How many of the ferried TBMs and Pilatuses have been lost since 1995 ?
How many lost airplanes would it take for you to feel uncomfortable with one engine.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 May 2017, 16:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: Quote: .
How many of the ferried TBMs and Pilatuses have been lost since 1995 ?
How many lost airplanes would it take for you to feel uncomfortable with one engine. maybe start with more than none ?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 May 2017, 16:23 |
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Is this a joke? TBMs go back and forth all the time from Europe and never heard of one lost. That King Air that crash in the sea out of fuel last year Im sure the pilot felt good with his 2 engines.  Username Protected wrote: Quote: .
How many of the ferried TBMs and Pilatuses have been lost since 1995 ?
How many lost airplanes would it take for you to feel uncomfortable with one engine.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 May 2017, 16:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Geesh: reminds me they just found some of the Franklin expedition's remnants from that mission in 1845 to find the Northwest Passage. Sorry to get off topic, but pretty grim below that area. (Of course Franklin was west of there, but still representative.) http://www.npr.org/2017/03/21/520818684 ... -was-foundHow many of the ferried TBMs and Pilatuses have been lost since 1995 ? There was a SETP that went down in the 'Sea of Ochotsk' during a RTW flight and someone dunked a Meridian in the GOM. Any others ?
Lots and lots and lots..... ummmm, I mean zero, even if you throw the PA46's in there. I wouldn't lose sleep over crossing the Atlantic behind a modern single engine turbine. I know a very high time instructor and ferry pilot that once said when he crosses the Atlantic he prefers 8 turbines over 4, over 3 over 2, and 1 turbine over anything powered any number of pistons. 
If you do like warmer water though, noticed that the first M600 to ferry across the Atlantic chose the Azores as a fuel stop.
An Atlantic crossing is on my bucket list. Above the risk tolerance of my taking the family, but I would be very comfortable myself.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 May 2017, 16:46 |
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Username Protected wrote:
There was a SETP that went down in the 'Sea of Ochotsk' during a RTW flight and someone dunked a Meridian in the GOM. Any others ?
You might be thinking of a Jetprop, but no Meridian ditchings. The JP being an aftermarket conversion has quite a complex fuel system compared to the Meridian, and rumor has it that the JP had a fuel issue. All survived without injuries, and plane eventually sunk so no final word on the problem.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 May 2017, 16:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Quote: .
How many of the ferried TBMs and Pilatuses have been lost since 1995 ?
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Quote: . Is this a joke? TBMs go back and forth all the time from Europe and never heard of one lost. That King Air that crash in the sea out of fuel last year Im sure the pilot felt good with his 2 engines. No joke. Do expect that to continue? Running out of fuel is a flight planning issue not an airplane malfunction that can kill you.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 May 2017, 17:41 |
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BS, show me. Username Protected wrote:
How many of the ferried TBMs and Pilatuses have been lost since 1995 ?
How many lost airplanes would it take for you to feel uncomfortable with one engine
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 May 2017, 19:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: Green = Sarcasm = BS It's an educational process. I never seem to use green though. So hard to read!!
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Username Protected wrote: How many lost airplanes would it take for you to feel uncomfortable with one engine. I would worry if this was a regular occurence. So far the number is zero, but even if it went to one or two out of thousands ferried, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it. I fly behind a Continental piston engine, a design that can and will blow up at any given time.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 07:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: We can agree that the PC 12 is a great well built airplane. I can agree I wouldn't fly it over 800 miles of open ocean. At this moment it time, we are allowed to chose the level risk we are comfortable with. I'm sure for 4M for a new PC12 or 2M for the toy jet each manufacturer can afford a gross of"BIG GIRL PANTIES" for each new owner. To bad those don't come in my size!  Zzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz SNORE! Huh, who, what? I'm sorry..... I must have fallen asleep while you were telling your story about your "comfort level". A new PC12 is $5MM BTW.
Go to Europe and come back in your palatapus....then we have something to talk about.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 16 May 2017, 08:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Go to Europe and come back in your palatapus....then we have something to talk about. Fair enough..... but even though I haven't done it YET..... It is done in PC12's every day. I do however cross the Gulf Of Mexico and fly to St. Barth/BVI regularly. So my "hours over open ocean" are VERY high. Pilatus PC12 sales up over 30% right now. If "they're doing it wrong" then how come they're so successful? All the "GA is dying" folks are looking in the wrong direction. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... st-436772/
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