BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2020, 13:58

Username Protected wrote:

I operate out of a 3500' strip at 1200' MSL. What is your comfort level for a 400 series for take offs/landings?

My favorite Lindbergh quote:
"The question is not how little runway an airplane needs, but how much it needs to operate safely."

Attached is an Accelerate-Go chart for a 421C. With temps above -5C, you have to start reducing weight if you want acc-go.

And if it's IMC or the departure obstacles are not easily avoidable visually, you'll need to be VERY LIGHT (about 5700# with ISA temp) to make the climb gradient if single-engine:
TAKEOFF MINIMUMS:
Rwy 7, std. w/ min. climb of 355' per NM to 2700.
Rwy 25, std. w/ min. climb of 365' per NM to 2500.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2020, 14:45

There are some r-stol cabin class cessnas floating around.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2020, 17:32

Username Protected wrote:

Uh, who is Doug Jackson? The airport is Carroll County Airport, 4m1. It is in NW Arkansas.

That would be me.

I operate an RSTOL 340 from my 2,300' grass strip here in North Texas. Let me know if I can answer your questions.
Call me any time: 817- nine nine 6- 7340

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2020, 18:47

I checked out the field. Not sure of prevailing winds but I’d guess 25 is favored based on slope and the satellite image? The satellite indicates woods to the west but the AFD only references taller obstacles well off the departure path, so the overrun is probably fine.

The gps procedures are not the greatest when coming home in the fog.

I think it will work fine for a 400 series - especially a 421 or an rstol twin cessna.

The issue is you give up some of that twin “safety” you are paying for by operating out of there. A rejected takeoff will be less of an option when loaded up.

Enjoy. I LOVED my Golden Eagle.

And talk to Doug... :D

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2020, 20:11

Username Protected wrote:

Uh, who is Doug Jackson?

[youtube]https://youtu.be/76rpSJAQnIM[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2020, 20:22

Username Protected wrote:

Uh, who is Doug Jackson?

[youtube]https://youtu.be/76rpSJAQnIM[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Jan 2020, 22:00

Username Protected wrote:

I checked out the field. Not sure of prevailing winds but I’d guess 25 is favored based on slope and the satellite image? The satellite indicates woods to the west but the AFD only references taller obstacles well off the departure path, so the overrun is probably fine.
And talk to Doug...

Thanks for checking it all out.
The prevailing winds are usually out of the south, if not the south then the north. No matter which runway I choose for take off it is at least 100 degrees off of the nose, a perpetual 100 degree crosswind. It is best to take off on 25 downhill (terrain drops off at the end so trees are not much of a factor as far as clearing them) and land on 7. As far as the approaches they don't get you real low but Harrison, with an ILS, is 30 miles away. There is no WX reporting on the field and I don't do hard IFR real often anyway.

Comparing my T310R to a 421C as to Accelerate/Go was interesting. I figured 30 degrees C at 1200 PA. My normal mission is 5 hrs. of fuel, wife, Lulu the dog and myself plus 50-75lbs. of stuff. Acc/Go in the T310R (340lbs. below gross) is about 5280', in the 421C I figured 4 hrs. of fuel (950 below gross) it is about 4130'. Of course it is something to pay attention to and be aware of, however as far as my Cessna 180, well I can't even find a A/Go chart. :crazy:

And yes, I will give Doug a call. Thanks for all of your inputs.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jan 2020, 03:08

Username Protected wrote:

no matter which runway I choose for take off it is at least 100 degrees off of the nose, a perpetual 100 degree crosswind.

How does that work again?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jan 2020, 08:05

Username Protected wrote:

Uh, who is Doug Jackson?

[youtube]https://youtu.be/76rpSJAQnIM[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jan 2020, 11:41

Username Protected wrote:

no matter which runway I choose for take off it is at least 100 degrees off of the nose, a perpetual 100 degree crosswind.

How does that work again?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jan 2020, 12:09

Username Protected wrote:

no matter which runway I choose for take off it is at least 100 degrees off of the nose, a perpetual 100 degree crosswind.

How does that work again?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jan 2020, 16:22

Username Protected wrote:

Uh, who is Doug Jackson?

[youtube]https://youtu.be/76rpSJAQnIM[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jan 2020, 16:57

Doug,

If you don't mind me asking...

If someone wanted to re-create your bird as it is now: R-STOL, new interior, new paint, G500 w/ 750's with RAM VI or RAM VII engines, what would you say is a reasonable budget to acquire such a bird?

2nd question... of the limited supply of R-STOL C340's, how many are FIKI? Can you still have an R-STOL kit installed today?

3rd question...what did you have to do to get your engines running LOP well? Was it just a matter of installed GAMI's or was it more than that? How smoothly does it run LOP? 30gph vs. 40 gph make a HUGE difference in DOC's.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jan 2020, 18:11

Username Protected wrote:

3rd question...what did you have to do to get your engines running LOP well? Was it just a matter of installed GAMI's or was it more than that? How smoothly does it run LOP? 30gph vs. 40 gph make a HUGE difference in DOC's.

RAM VII for me, runs well LOP, no GAMIs either. 33", 2300 RPM, 14-15GPH depending on OAT, limited by keeping TIT below 1600. Comparative ROP setting is 29-30", 17GPH, maybe 4 kts faster.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jan 2020, 18:42

RSTOL kits are no longer available according to the STC holder. Some parts are also no longer available.

If you have a RSTOL equipped plane just hope nothing breaks and you don’t need parts.

Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421