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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 21:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Exactly! I guess I don't know what "Crandalled" means. or You didn't read the thread.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 22:29 |
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Crandalled must mean when you invite everyone to your own town.  Username Protected wrote: Exactly! I guess I don't know what "Crandalled" means. or You didn't read the thread.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 22:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm a potential buyer for this jet.
I fly 1-3 people most often, and it will accomodate a family for those few trips. My 421 got over, around, or under any weather I needed. This will fly as high and go much faster. It won't go under, but neither will its turboprop competitors . The airplane should be simple to operate and highly reliable.
If you use a plane for regular business transport (250+ hours annually), it has to be ready to go every time. One missed meeting could ruin your annual cost/NM.
The chute allows any of my passengers to escape if anything were to happen to me while flying.
It fits in my hangar.
I can buy $3/gas, and have fuel anywhere in the world.
I understand this plane. I also love the MU2, but it obviously has its drawbacks.
If I could make my Baron go 300kts, it would be just right. Throwing in pressure, turbine smooth and quiet, reliability, cool factor, and a chute gets you to the SF50.
Makes sense to me. Perfectly said. They're finishing up the TAT conversion for the Baron's. That airplane will haul the mail......
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Where did you get info on TAT baron?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 22:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Crandalled must mean when you invite everyone to your own town. Yeah. I think there are a few towns with the name Crandall. Probably a few with the name Bourdon too.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 22:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nate, heads up, Ciholas is actually Crandall disguised as an MU2 pilot go get em 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 22:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: There is one thing I learned from being a long time member of the Cessna Pilots Association.
I would never ever make a bet against Mike Ciholas on anything concerning aviation!
Sincerely,
Bobby Southard That's like waving a red flag around here. I will join the other Jason's bet... It will be successful. Not an engineering marvel but successful.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 22:56 |
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Need to define successful?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 23:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: I offered the bet to Ciholas that if the SF50 makes it to market it would be a success. He won't bet me. Flawed bet. "If it doesn't make it to market, then no action" is like "heads I win, tails no bet". Obviously, if it gets all the way to market and sells 5 airplanes to unrelated customers, it's going to be at least a modest success. Put a time-bound on it, and make it a bet (and a loss) if it fails to make it to market by that time, and then it's a more balanced bet.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 23:13 |
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This thread has been the engineers arguing with the marketing guys and a little with each other.
I don't know anything about the engineering, but for whatever its worth, I agree with the marketing guy. IF the engineers deliver it will sell.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 23:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: I offered the bet to Ciholas that if the SF50 makes it to market it would be a success. He won't bet me. Flawed bet. "If it doesn't make it to market, then no action" is like "heads I win, tails no bet". Obviously, if it gets all the way to market and sells 5 airplanes to unrelated customers, it's going to be at least a modest success. Put a time-bound on it, and make it a bet (and a loss) if it fails to make it to market by that time, and then it's a more balanced bet.
One guy says if A then B, and another guy says not A. Why would they bet?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 23:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Exactly! I guess YOU don't know what "Crandalled" means.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 23:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: Need to define successful? They sell all that are already ordered and it becomes a pivotal part of the company. Hell, according to Ciholas it won't even make it to market.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 23:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: I offered the bet to Ciholas that if the SF50 makes it to market it would be a success. He won't bet me. Flawed bet. "If it doesn't make it to market, then no action" is like "heads I win, tails no bet". Obviously, if it gets all the way to market and sells 5 airplanes to unrelated customers, it's going to be at least a modest success. Put a time-bound on it, and make it a bet (and a loss) if it fails to make it to market by that time, and then it's a more balanced bet.
Not flawed at all considering Ciholas thinks it won't make it to market. He also thinks if it does it'll bankrupt the company and it's a complete waste of time and money. According to him it's a failed product.
I say the opposite will happen and I'll put $1K on it. Anyone is free to get in on this.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 23:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Put a time-bound on it, and make it a bet (and a loss) if it fails to make it to market by that time, and then it's a more balanced bet. Not flawed at all considering Ciholas thinks it won't make it to market. He also thinks if it does it'll bankrupt the company and it's a complete waste of time and money. According to him it's a failed product. I say the opposite will happen and I'll put $1K on it. Anyone is free to get in on this. 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 09 Dec 2014, 23:37 |
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Question 1 is : where do i buy Crandall sunglasses?
I got a G versus Chiolas on cirrus certifying and selling lots of cirrus jets.
You on?
Side bet on elcipse getting bought out.
Mike
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