BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 May 2017, 23:02

From Flying Magazine "While the Vision will make for a great step-up platform for owners of the Cirrus SR22 and other high-performance piston models, it is expected to draw interest from commercial air-taxi operators seeking to provide economical regional transporations solutions."

They better get ready for a tongue lashing, don't they know there is absolutely no commercial application for this aircraft?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 May 2017, 23:08

Username Protected wrote:

Tony
To go with a new airplane

Andy why would you want a new one of these? You ready to lose a million bucks overnight? Please clarify?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 May 2017, 23:17

Username Protected wrote:

They better get ready for a tongue lashing, don't they know there is absolutely no commercial application for this aircraft?

None whatsoever, except for that share of the charter market that are same day out+back flights in the <500sm range on behalf of regional companies.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 00:15

Username Protected wrote:

For someone who is attempting to be linguistically precise about a pilot being incapacitated in a chute pulling situation, Mike C. I think was rather loose with the term "Market".
If you own a SR20/SR22/Bonanza, and you want a small step up, and you want a new plane. There is nothing available except the PA46 line; and even the PA46 tries to be a mini-airliner with a perceived MX schedule to match (note, I said perceived; not reality). TBM is much more "plane" and is not a small step up; it also is a much larger financial commitment, with a MX schedule designed around a much higher utlization then these planes will likely receive.

The end result is there is a market niche for a plane which is one step above a high performance single piston plane, has a price cap likely in the low $2 Million range, is easy to fly, and can haul the family for a short trip, and is designed around 100-200 hours a year utilization.

My only question, is if that is a big enough market segment to support the plane longer term.

Tim

Word...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 09:47

Username Protected wrote:

Tony
To go with a new airplane

Andy why would you want a new one of these? You ready to lose a million bucks overnight? Please clarify?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 11:32

Have I told you guys recently how much I like the new Cirrus Jet? Sweet layout and killer panel. How about that Parachute?

I have covered up the poster of the other plane I was saving money for with a picture of an SF50....

Peace,
Don

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 18:27

Sales brochure weight/range chart

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 19:57

Username Protected wrote:

Cirrus received the Production Certificate for the Vision Jet today.

http://www.flyingmag.com/cirrus-receive ... ertificate

Pretty good for a couple of bumbling idiots who don't know what they are doing.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 20:22

Username Protected wrote:

Sales brochure weight/range chart

Isn't that better than what has previously been published?

The VFR range looks better than what has been surmised in this thread many times and would appear to better than standard Meredian, which had no trouble selling for years.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 20:42

Username Protected wrote:

They better get ready for a tongue lashing, don't they know there is absolutely no commercial application for this aircraft?

None whatsoever, except for that share of the charter market that are same day out+back flights in the <500sm range on behalf of regional companies.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 21:14

Username Protected wrote:

None whatsoever, except for that share of the charter market that are same day out+back flights in the <500sm range on behalf of regional companies.

Hopefully Cirrus figures out how to certify it for IFR 135 operations.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 May 2017, 21:28

Username Protected wrote:

Pretty good for a couple of bumbling idiots who don't know what they are doing.

I do not think that guys who will buy SF50 idiots. I noticed maybe 80 % of the pilot in US fly alone Sometimes with a dog. This airplane is ideal for these people.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 May 2017, 06:48

The new BCA magazine has the specs

With full fuel payload is 268 lbs.

Forget the dog it can't take me and full tanks

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 May 2017, 07:10

Username Protected wrote:

The new BCA magazine has the specs

With full fuel payload is 268 lbs.

Forget the dog it can't take me and full tanks

Many planes can't take much in the cabin if you put on full fuel. The SF50 is like that too. It will, however, haul ~1000 lbs ~600 miles at ~300 knots. That's not bad.

Comparisons: the Baron G58 can haul 330 lbs with full fuel, the Citation Mustang full fuel payload is 550 lbs, and for the Piper M600 it's 525 lbs.

I'm happy to fly an old plane that has a higher full fuel payload capability, but I pretty much never fly with more than me and 1 or 2 other people (or 20-30 dogs), so that limitation never comes into play.