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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 17:06 |
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Username Protected wrote:
+1 Crandall is far from "not that smart"
Two whole pages without Ciholas?
That's because the thread has been hopelessly derailed for now. It'll take another pilot report that doesn't come with detailed diagrams and tables get him fired up again.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 17:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: hopelessly derailed for now. And will be until we get some SF50's delivered and guys flying them. Till then..... Keep B.S.-ing 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 18:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm hearing they have delivered a few... I have too but I feel more people should be talking about their experience.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 18:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm hearing they have delivered a few... I have too but I feel more people should be talking about their experience.
Maybe Mike C. has scared them into silence!!!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 18:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe Mike C. has scared them into silence!!! Nah, they are all just under NDA. Everything is so hush, hush.... Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 19:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just spoke to a fella who took a demo ride and is up next on the list. Said it flew just a tad bit better than a MU2 and slightly worse than a PC12 Good one! 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 19:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just spoke to a fella who took a demo ride and is up next on the list. Said it flew just a tad bit better than a MU2 and slightly worse than a PC12 That should draw Mike out of hiding....
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 00:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: There are 19 positions for sale on controller. I wonder how many committed buyers were only committed to flipping a position for a quick buck. when Cirrus calls for the balance how many are going to scatter... They have already required large payments to hold on to positions afaik. The early money was low but they cleaned that up.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 00:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: There are 19 positions for sale on controller. I wonder how many committed buyers were only committed to flipping a position for a quick buck. when Cirrus calls for the balance how many are going to scatter... Just curious, how does it work when you have a position and want to sell it? Does the manufacturer typically allows you to assign a position to someone else, and you simply pocket whatever you got from the position sale? Or are the contracts non-transferrable and you actually have to take delivery of the plane and then re-sell it to the buyer?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 02:28 |
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Just thinking outta the box... what would Cirrus need to prove to the FAA that a single jet + chute is an ELOS to a twin jet, and allow it up to, say, FL310 or so? Maybe a certain number of saves or hours of operation? I feel like all of the SF50 problems boil down to lack of redundancy (thus, "unsafe in a failure" -- possibly mitigated by the chute or maybe clever autopilot auto-descent in depressurization cases?) and lack of efficiency (due to being held down to FL280) There is no certification cure for pregnant guppy looks. But I imagine if they could squeak a few more thousand in certified altitude... they'd have a home run, neh? Not a jet pilot. Assume the above is pure rubbish and jeer at me accordingly. 
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