Mike - you may want to be careful about logging SIC time in a SP jet. According to the FARs, no one can log SIC time in an aircraft requiring only one crew member even if you were certified to fly the 501sp. The general rule is that if the flight operation requires only one pilot and can be conducted by a SP, (SIC not required) a second pilot helping along even if they manipulate the controls cannot log SIC time. Here is an FAA letter that provides some guidance.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/hea ... 0-%20(2009)%20legal%20interpretation.pdf

This article may also help:

http://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/ ... airplanes/

While Gary’s offer is very generous, it will not help in logging any seat time.

Pilots don’t wear headsets or place manuals out of reach of the PIC and 2 crew is required.

Pilots don’t wear headsets or place manuals out of reach of the PIC and 2 crew is required.

I don't need to log SIC time.

I need to log takeoffs and landings.

This is to meet this requirement in the Simcom SPE:

A Level C or D flight simulator provided the applicant has performed at least three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop as the sole manipulator of the flight controls in the CE-500 series airplane within the preceding 90 days.

It doesn't say these takeoffs and landings have to be logged as PIC or SIC, it only says they have to be "performed". If I perform them, and Tarver signs my logbooks saying they were performed (He's CFII/ATP), then I've met the requirement, right?

This issue comes about because I believe the Simcom Citation simulator is a level C or D (not A or B which doesn't have this requirement).

So if I fly the Klingon around for a few hours as sole manipulator of the controls, how do I enter that in my log book? Dual received, not PIC, seems like the easiest.

Can Tarver sign me off as SIC (under 61.55(b))? Even though the plane is SP?

Would that sign off mean I can legally serve as SIC in a 550 or 560? Or do you need another sign off to do that?

Mike C.

Alex the Second Paragraph on page 2 says the second pilot can log PIC time when the are sole manipulator of controls in accordance with 61.51 (e)

Provided the second pilot meets the requirements of that section. In this case, he would be acting as the PIC for the flight (there is no SIC).

Any typed/current captain can sign you off as an SIC. Does”t have to be an ATP or CFI. Take the sign off and go to the FSDO and get your SIC endorsement. Then you can log SIC time which counts towards turbojet experience. However, the aircraft must be certified two pilots to be able to logSIC. So any SP variant or say 525 you can’t log SIC time. However, if you are the sole manipulator and there is a CFI in the right seat you can log the time as dual in SP certified aircraft. But being the sole manipulator in such an aircraft with no CFI aboard doesn’t count for FAA purposes. I would still record it and report it to the insurance company. See what they say

Mike, you can save a bunch of time and money from SIMCOM by signing up for their SIC experienced type rating. Jesse did it in a week. Huge. All sim based. So you say you don’t need an SIC...true enough but having one cuts course duration in half. So depending on how you Value your time...

You will need a commercial to get the SPE as you point out. I, like you, was merely private. Soooo I studied and took the written, flew with Lockhart in my 310 to get my sign off. Did the oral, and the checkride. Total PITA but now I get paid so that’s cool. Promptly flew to Salt Lake for the CJP winter meeting...had dinner with Don Baker and his bride and then they crashed 3 days later. Sobering. ( I did all this after having gotten my type as a private, but not SPE. It is a big ask going straight to SPE in a jet but ymmv. Flew for a year. And then got the commercial.)

Now I am getting the ATP because 1) it’s cool, 2) insurance 3)contract jobs often require it, 4) I have two buddies with 135 ops that would like to have me in the bull pen when im available. Obv even a larger PITA.

I’m suspect he can as he is a CFI. It can be logged as dual. The question is can a commercial, typed non CFI sign you off as SIC using an SP aircraft for which an SIC is not required? Murky. They can’t give you dual as they aren’t a CFI. So does the fact that it’s a SP aircraft prevent signing you off as an SIC? Seems illogical. So that test probably makes it that they can’t.

Useful article. Note the SIC sign off by FSDO is not required domestically

https://www.nbaa.org/admin/personnel/sic/

For single pilot operations the single type rated pilot has to be in the left seat. My question would be, if you are legally signed off as an SIC and setting left seat and the type rated pilot is in the right seat could you not then log as SIC? Obviously if the type rated pilot only had a crew type rating you would definitely be a required crew member.

My question is under what circumstances would this be kosher?

[youtube]https://youtu.be/sNmxUrGy4Qg[/youtube]

MEI signing dual.

As a MEI CFII providing instruction? Similarly, Tarver providing instruction to MH is ok - flying right seat in someone else's SP jet and logging the time is not ok

I don't know about the 501SP, but we do it all the time in our single-pilot jet.

Our AFM specifies that operations may be single-pilot or two-pilot in accordance with the following crew limitation:

One pilot provided:
• Pilot occupies the left pilot’s seat
• Autopilot is operative
• One headset mounted microphone is used
• One Transponder IDENT button is on sidestick control
• Quick Reference Handbook (QRH), Part Number 06-122205, latest revision that is available to the pilot

OR

One pilot and one copilot provided:
• Quick-don Oxygen Masks with built-in microphones are operative on the pilot and copilot sides

As Allen suggested, the absence of a document that must be readily accessible for single-pilot operations automatically renders the operation two-pilot, and the FAA has previously opined that doing that is a legal strategy. Naturally, if the second pilot is going to be a required crew member, he must be properly qualified to serve as one. But if he is required and properly qualified, then he gets to log the time.

Ken

With all of this debate on acquiring SP status, I'll throw a little cold water on the whole idea. Despite the training and authorization, no SP operation will be as safe as a trained two-man crew, but it will be cheaper.