Which choices are better given a budget of $2MM? There are no new turbine aircraft at that price point (as far as I know). Based on a quick perusal of Controller, here's what $2MM can buy you:

2016 Piper Meridian M500
2011 Cessna Mustang
2010 TBM 850
2010 Embraer Phenom 100
2009 King Air C90GTi
2009 Hawker 400XP
2008 Piaggio Avanti II
2007 Beechcraft Premier IA
2000 Citation 560
1999 Pilatus PC-12
2 Cessna 441s
1.5 very nice Commanders
3 nice MU-2s
4 Merlin IIIs

I find many of those to be much more desirable than the SF50. The only advantage I can see of the Cirrus is the "new airplane smell" and potentially lower operating cost.

Nathan

How many posters have skin in the game and a deposit on a SF50? 0?

Lots of tire kickers and spec sheet aviators around.

I'll take the PC12 for 2mm Nate

I can't say that I am a huge fan of the Cirrus Jet... but to compare it to a business jet or even the much aggrandized MU2 is really not at all fair.

It isn't a better small jet... it's a better SR22.

Let's look at it as a logical step up from the other airplane they build... how does it perform compared to the SR22?

310 pages and this is one of the better statements.


Peace,
Don

That is probably the best comment of this thread... Thank you.

Decorum on BT. Respectful discourse. Open dialogue.

Yes, exactly like that. That was a real question.

I like Mike for the record. His approach on BT is not my favorite. I'm not the hall monitor so he can do as he likes. I can also ask what is driving it.

I enjoy BT most for the friendships. Friendships... as in real live people who I have met through BT. My perspective changed when most of the folks I interact with became known to me in person.

Best,

2008 Eclipse SE new paint and interior with 3yrs warranty and maintenance included
And as a bonus you get the new airplane smell

10 years old

Jason has said it for years, and he is right.

You can only compare new to new. Almost nobody on BT buys new. That shows you BT is not really representative of the marketplace. Cirrus doesn't advertise here for a reason.

Go back and read the threads on Cirrus sales expierence; even when buying used. The company wants a thriving used marketplace.
Cirrus attends events for Beech, Piper, Cessna... Cirrus does not seem to advertize or go where they would cause a rucus. I can just imagine the hard core BT brotherhood complain to the Jeffs if Cirrus ran ads here.

Tim

When Cirrus offered to bring a SR22 Max BBQ, a couple of people got all huffed up about it.

Unsure about this one....

Wonder if one did an analysis of average annual plane purchases what percentage of transactions would be new and what percentage of transactions would be used.

Would be willing to bet that the total inventory of used aircraft dwarfs the number of new frames entering the market each year.

While I don't have the facts at hand, I would bet that if one were to analyze number of annual transactions (buy/sell) of airplanes in the US, particularly, GA type/BeechTalk type planes, that the pre-owned transactions outnumber the new by a fair margin. So not sure that BeechTalk is that unrepresentative of the market.

Came about due to bad stall characteristics discovered late in the design stage, so instead of redesigning the wing, they added a stick pusher.

http://pilatusowners.org/wp-content/upl ... 04fall.pdf

"Flight tests were supported in parallel by a further series of wind tunnel tests in an attempt to find aerodynamic solutions, many of which were successfully tested in flight but were considered unacceptable at the relatively late stage in the program. Finally it was decided to prevent the aircraft from reaching the aerodynamic stall by introducing a stall protection system (stick shaker/pusher)."

Basically, at high power and low speed, the stall break was sharp and undesirable. This was caused by the airfoil chosen, mostly, having a sharp break at max lift.

The SF50, with the high thrust line, should be relatively immune to this problem. More power creates more nose down. But something else obviously forced the inclusion of a stick pusher and its complexity (as the article above details for the PC-12).


Not as surprising for a 420 knot airplane.

Mike C.