My 10 year old PC12 isn't all that nice anymore. Ha.

The engine out procedure in an MU2 is very similar to jets. Wings level, ball centered, leave flaps alone, feather prop, climb Vxse, at safe altitude, accelerate, clean up flaps. Feathering the prop is the only real difference.

The two main differences to piston and other turboprop twins is the lack of bringing up flaps and flying wings level. Other than that, not too dissimilar.


The MU2 SFAR requires 100 hours multi time to ACT as PIC. Those 100 hours could be in MU2s if you aren't acting as PIC (have an instructor or mentor or hired pilot to be PIC). This requirement has incorrectly been interpreted to require 100 hours ME time BEFORE you can fly an MU2, which is not the case, it is only before you can BE PIC.

In my case, I had 10 hours in a Seminole to get ME rating, and then all my multi time is in MU2s. I did this prior to SFAR officially coming into force, by I was about 100 hours ME time when I flew as PIC in the MU2 for the first time.

Mike C.

Thanks for the clarification. How difficult was it to find a mentor with the requisite experience /currency? It's a relatively rare bird.

Getting off topic but I had just under 30 hours of multi time when we bought our MU-2. I flew the remaining 70 hours with a mentor pilot and during my initial SFAR training.

I did my training with Howell Enterprises and they set me up with a mentor pilot. The training flights can be very busy and somewhat intense, especially in the beginning. Flying with a mentor pilot on longer trips that represent our actual use for the plane was incredibly useful, it was a good idea even if it had not been required.

The FARs are somewhat confusing. You need 100 hours multi PIC time to act as PIC in an MU-2, but if you are the "sole manipulator of the controls" you can log multi PIC time in the MU-2 assuming you are flying with a qualified pilot who can act as PIC on those flights.

Nathan

Not confusing at all that's the same for a C172

It doesn't presently.


Some have assumed this meant 350 fatal crashes, which is not the case.


SFAR training started 10+ years ago.

PC-12 fatal crashes in that time: 10 (52 fatalities)
King Air fatal crashes in that time: 56 (didn't count fatalities, prob ~250)

Counts like above aren't normalized to exposure or use conditions, so they really don't say which airplane is safer or not for any given mission.


The only treatment for ignorance is knowledge, but it may not be curable in all cases.

Mike C.

there's a prohibition on being sole manipulator of the controls unless you've completed the SFAR. not quite like the 172.

Not that difficult.

There is a listing of instructors and mentors on the MHIA web site, plus a good network of people who know people.

In my area, I have a friend who served as a mentor (has an F model nearby), also used a pro pilot out of Nashville, and Reece is in Smyrna.

Mike C.

Really? That must make training to meet the requirements of the SFAR quite difficult.

It's actually now Part 91 subpart N (instead of an SFAR), but it's essentially the same:



Nathan

You can compete the SFAR starting with 0 MU2 time. You can manipulate the controls with an SFAR instructor on board.

Then once SFAR complete you can log time as PIC as the sole manipulator, but you don't have to be PIC to do that.

I think the 100 hour rule is stupid, but it isn't as nearly limiting as one imagines upon first reading.

Mike C.

It doesn't "presently"? How may fatalities since implementation of the SFAR?

How many MU2's flying right now? 1. Planes don't crash sitting on the ramp.

Ignorance really is "bliss".... HA!

Posts like this do score pretty high on the troll index.

It is a shame people have to spout ignorance of MU2s in an SF50 thread in misguided attempt to prove a point.

Mike C.

Like I said before. We have 300 pages of you trashing the SF50. One word of the MU2 and you scream "Troll"!!

I love MU2's. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy with your comments on "airplane safety". Brag about the SFAR... I think it's great... But at least be real and follow it up with "granted, there aren't many MU2's flying anymore so maybe the numbers are a bit skewed".

Just be real....

I spent approximately 80hrs in the PC12 before I was PIC, I think that is time well spent to get used to all the items needed for a complex airplane........The PC12 is an easy airplane to fly, it's when things go wrong that you need the knowledge.