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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 00:58 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14581 Post Likes: +12367 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Brent: Congrats on the type rating. I know it was a CE500 TR but that looks like an Ultra! Nice bird. A grand member of the 500 family. Go to an Encore and you will have no problems landing I actually find the CE550 much easier to land than the 560. Probably a weight thing. That said, the 560 is better at everything else. As far as the landing at Sedona, I had an eclectic group. The right seater was a mortician (not sure if he was for a good landing or not  ) I also had a real estate man aboard. These two gents are friends from Marquette. The female voice belonged to a most intelligent (Master's in Molcecular Biology) young woman who just retired as a Bengals cheerleader. Also aboard was her boyfriend...a very bright young man from Detroit who played wide receiver at ASU and who is a successful business man. We ran into them at the Phoenician after a round of golf. We offered the trip to Sedona inlieu of their plans to play golf and do the spa at the Boulders. Damned if the trip to Sedona to hang out with three old guys was too good to pass up! Must of been our self depricating sense of humor. Ran into to BTer Ed Haines there and BTer Russ D was instrumental is hooking us up with an SUV. I know the tradition is pictures or it didn't happen. So here you go 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 16:50 |
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Joined: 08/18/12 Posts: 770 Post Likes: +164 Company: D.J. Williams, Inc. Location: Lake Mary, FL
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Mark, Your co-pilot does a nice job.
Keep the videos coming, very enjoyable.
Dave
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 18:48 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14581 Post Likes: +12367 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: Mark, Your co-pilot does a nice job.
Keep the videos coming, very enjoyable.
Dave Thanks. She'd be happy to hear that. One thing nice about the SPW is anybody can be your SIC. She is trying to break into the business the hard way. Pays for every flight hour herself. Commercial Multi Inst. 500 hours total time. 22 hours multi. Working on CFI. She sounds like she is 16 but she is 36 and a former copper. I offered her the occasional Citation trip where having me having two pilots was prudent. She jumped at the chance (after deciding I wasn't a "creeper") and she has picked up 20 hours in 30 days. Has learned all sorts of things about flying that she never would flying environment she is used too. Quick example is void times. If you have never received a clearance with a void time you can imagine how confusing it might be. If you only fly at towered airports why would you ever get a void time? If you are used to flying single engine low performance aircraft it is likely you have never been given a star or a Sid. Let alone one with a crossing altitude and speed restriction. Suffice it to say she has learned more in 20 hours flying with me than she ever would doing what she has been doing. I have gotten a kick seeing her make so much progress in such a short time. Her family (9 brothers) are over the moon watching these videos of their little sis. There is a real chicken and the egg thing in aviation. The trips she has taken with me are what she has been working towards for years. Just strikes me that these trips should occur far earlier in a budding pilots carrer to see if it is really something they want to do. Three years and $75k later is a bad time to figure out that it ain't all it is cracked up to be. Just sayin. In fact I told her two things she had to agree to before I would fly with her. 1) if she decides this pro pilot gig ain't for her she can't be pissed at me and 2) if she decides this pro pilot jet thing rocks her world she can't blame me for making her current approach of CFI and working a dispatch desk seem so undesirable. My sense is #1) is of little risk. On the other hand #2) is a huge risk. Either way she will be wiser than when she started.
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 22:10 |
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The SIC would need to have a 61.55 check signed off in their log book and of course multi-engine IFR.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 22:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: The SIC would need to have a 61.55 check signed off in their log book and of course multi-engine IFR. It was my understanding that in a single pilot aircraft, the SIC has to be there due to a requirement if he wants to log any time. That requirement could be company op-specs or just a company policy (i.e. two pilots if a C-level exex is on board). 91 operators like labcorp have such a policy which allows them to put trainees in the right seat of a Baron to collect enough multi time. As I understand it, just hitching rides in your buddies Citation doesn't allow you to log hours.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 22:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: The SIC would need to have a 61.55 check signed off in their log book and of course multi-engine IFR. Correct. In her case she can't log the SIC time until the 61.55 and not being an ATP I can't give her the 61.55. I have people who can but I have to get her to the point where she will pass. No rush. The best part is she can take her time and really get comfortable. She has three landings and takeoffs so far. She will get there. This is more about her getting the experience to see if flying jets is what she thinks it is. Like I say...nice thing about SPW is that experience doesn't matter for the person learning in the right seat. Benefit to me is I have someone who can handle radios, run checklists and double check my decisions. Sort of a hybrid solution. Of course if something happens to me we have a fighting chance. In a month it will be a lock. She will get 200 hours this year I suspect. Figure 150 loggable.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 22:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: The SIC would need to have a 61.55 check signed off in their log book and of course multi-engine IFR. It was my understanding that in a single pilot aircraft, the SIC has to be there due to a requirement if he wants to log any time. That requirement could be company op-specs or just a company policy (i.e. two pilots if a C-level exex is on board). 91 operators like labcorp have such a policy which allows them to put trainees in the right seat of a Baron to collect enough multi time. As I understand it, just hitching rides in your buddies Citation doesn't allow you to log hours.
This is where it gets confusing. This is not a SP aircraft. This is a crew aircraft. It just so happens that the pilot has a wavier. Pilot doesn't have to act as SP. Right now she couldn't be SIC so I am using the SPW. Once she has 61.55 then we can fly as a crew.
In a CJ which is not a crewed AC I do not think there can be a SIC. But maybe a company policy is a loophole?
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 23:43 |
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This is the best way to learn the airplane in my opinion. Good on you Mark to help her out. I had help by others further along in their career when I needed not. CFI, twin time and turbo-prop time. To get to roll in a Citation is simply awesome. I didn't get that opportunity but all of the other help got me there.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 12 Mar 2016, 09:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Great videos Mark! And what and experience for that young lady.
I'm loving the videos as I'm sitting here in my hotel in Dallas. I'm getting my 550 type as we speak. Been covering systems all week. Actually getting in the sim for the first time today!
I'm here at CAE use to be called Simuflite. Nice place and huge! Man do they have a ton of sims here. And a lot of them are running almost 24/7. I know the Citation II is that's for sure. Love a Pirep of your experience at CAE. Did you read mine about SIMCOM? I basically detail the whole check ride. Might be helpful. I assume it's two weeks? Price? Love the cafeteria at CAE.
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