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Wow that plane seems loud. Is it really that loud or an effect of the video?

Having flown in mine (and Steve's), they are not quiet like a jet... but not the noisy beasts they are from outside. Is there a quiet turboprop? Edit: prop plane.
I was in a very quiet long winged aircraft recently, it was lacking a motor, though...

BTW, I thought the Garrett Salute was a gag but it appears to be a real thing, I've seen lots of folks on airports with fingers stuck in their ears, in completely non-ironic, non-dramatic fashion, while I've been taxying by.


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I was right seating on a 690 long ago at Pompano, FL....before the tower was there. Just after we came off the start locks we got a call from the Unicom...."please don't check your mags on the ramp!" Still good for a chuckle 40+ years later.

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Ground runs of my aircraft - I was curious how loud it is from the outside. Spoiler alert: it's noisier than it is from the inside:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/OWYmPIi4JLk[/youtube]


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I was right seating on a 690 long ago at Pompano, FL....before the tower was there. Just after we came off the start locks we got a call from the Unicom...."please don't check your mags on the ramp!" Still good for a chuckle 40+ years later.

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Let me guess, your mags were missing....and you still haven't found them. :lol:

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That's a great hangar, 60x60 with elect bi fold door and epoxy floor. Also sewer and water connections in the back of the hangar to build a restroom and office.

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Looks fairly tight fit for a 60 x 60? :scratch:



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That's a great hangar, 60x60 with elect bi fold door and epoxy floor. Also sewer and water connections in the back of the hangar to build a restroom and office.

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You have almost 8 ft of room to play with. I have no problem sticking it in there.

I just need Gerry to sell me that hangar so I can pimp it out!

Wingspan on my plane is 52.15.

The 690s are under 50ft not sure of exact number.


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46' 6.64" wingspan for my 690A from my POH. That's before the winglets, which I don't think add width but need to verify.


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For the TC pilots (focusing on the 690):

Could/would you fly into 2,600 foot dirt strip at 1,900 agl with enough fuel to fly 400 nm with a full cabin?

Can you comfortably squeeze 7 people in (including pilot and co-pilot) and luggage? How about 8 people?

Last question for now: how are TC's in ice?


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Can you comfortably squeeze 7 people in (including pilot and co-pilot) and luggage? How about 8 people?


7 yes, 8 less so. Then one has to sit on the potty. 6 is the most comfortable, as you then only have 2 in the rear sofa.

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For the TC pilots (focusing on the 690):

Could/would you fly into 2,600 foot dirt strip at 1,900 agl with enough fuel to fly 400 nm with a full cabin?

Can you comfortably squeeze 7 people in (including pilot and co-pilot) and luggage? How about 8 people?

Last question for now: how are TC's in ice?

I'm pretty sure the plane will do it no probs... but that's too short for me today, still learning the bird.
I've heard a pretty interesting story, second hand, from a pilot I did my initial training with in the TC, about a pilot who contributes here, with the initials MH, who ended up basing a TC on an even shorter runway, if I recall correctly. Believe it was his first turboprop.

I'd figure it would be relatively good on ice, you don't need to use brakes: rudder, beta, reverse, differential power give you plenty of stopping power and non-wheel related control, will do everything you need.


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For the TC pilots (focusing on the 690):

Could/would you fly into 2,600 foot dirt strip at 1,900 agl with enough fuel to fly 400 nm with a full cabin?

Can you comfortably squeeze 7 people in (including pilot and co-pilot) and luggage? How about 8 people?

Last question for now: how are TC's in ice?


Yes, you could. Yes, I would depending on OAT and how much gravel goes with that dirt. 7 is easy 8-10 gets really cozy.

In my experience, I'm unaware of better propeller driven planes in ice. You can see the leading edge and the bottom of the wing and inlets at a glance. And the ice slings off the props behind you with a satisfying "thwack" so you know they are working ;)


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Ex 690 Commander night freight pilot here. A turbo commander is an "ice wagon"! No problem. Wait till your airspeed has decreased about 10knots, pop the boots, airspeed back. As previously mentioned, you can look outside with a flashlight and see the wing and engine nacelles. Lots of wing and lots of lift, much better in ice than an MU2 in my opinion.

A Commander is a GREAT ride in any weather. Landed once in Jacksonville Fla, on the tail of a hurricane, 60 knots of wind blowing straight down the runway.


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Lots of wing and lots of lift, much better in ice than an MU2 in my opinion.


Is that based on actual experience with both? If so, what specifically was the difference? I have flown the MU2 through a good bit of ice and the only reaction from the plane was the loss of a few knots of speed from having the intake heats on, which happens on any Garrett plane.


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Not based on actual MU2 experience. However, I think the MU2 does have a higher wing loading than a 690, which would make it less forgiving overall, especially in icing conditions.

However, if you say the MU2 is well behaved in icing conditions then I bow to your experience.


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