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 Post subject: Re: Turbine step up?
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Will they lease it to you for a year?


Interesting thought. I hadn't thought about that. I'll ask.

When leasing aircrafts, how is the lease cost calculated?

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Will they lease it to you for a year?


Interesting thought. I hadn't thought about that. I'll ask.

When leasing aircrafts, how is the lease cost calculated?


I don't think there is a standard. I've done a couple and would be happy to share my experiences. Pm me.

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Generally speaking..........turbine equipment needs to be flown high to extract the speed. flying around in the bottom 3rd of the aviation sphere will not be productive for turbine equipment, and for most pressurized airplanes.


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Will they lease it to you for a year?


Interesting thought. I hadn't thought about that. I'll ask.

When leasing aircrafts, how is the lease cost calculated?



A lease is depreciation plus the cost of money. If its an opened ended lease, you have to pay the balloon or residual value at lease end. I don't see how that would benefit the buyer or the seller in this case.

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Yes, that's the way you'd structure a lease typically. There are times where a lessee can rehabilitate an airplane in a way that benefits the lessor. In this case, the obvious trade would be for Adam to fix the leaks in exchange for x hours dry time. He gets to try out the plane at low risk and the owners get a much more salable plane.


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Wait...let me get this straight...you just spent buku Bucks turning a rat A* into an über reliable machine with new or overhauled everything and then spent the time and money to get your instrument ticket (good move imo, that's huge) and you want to trade what you've transformed into a beautiful ship for a trash truck because it burns jet-A? No way. You're making a big mistake.

Listen man, do what you want, but my A* is airplane #7 for me, two of which were turboprops (Cheyenne IA with Jim's ram air recovery and speed stacks, Cheyenne IIXL). I wouldn't rather either of those turbines over my A*, and they were good airplanes. You're not going to go much faster, you're going to burn a boatload more gas, turbines are less versatile, and the MX is eye opening. We're talking 40k for one half of the windshield in the TC if it starts to delam. The only reason I can see for a turbine over an A* is if you need to have more power to screw around with icier WX or you need more range. Have you taken your A* up in the flight levels? It's hella fast man- you're talking Cheyenne IA speeds and range at a fraction of the cost. Don't know if you've flown your A* much on one motor, but once you get the thing over 130KIAS it's a %#$@# cat.

Make you a deal- save your money, enjoy that awesome airplane you spent all that time and money creating, and when I get the Merlin (I'm hoping I find one soon, I'm going to need it starting February) let's do the Europe thing together. I'll buy the gas if you plan all the paperwork bullshit. I've been wanting to bounce around Europe with my dad for a while, it's always good to have another pilot to switch legs, and then you can scratch the turbine itch without making yourself miserable, which is exactly what you'll do if you buy the trash truck you're looking at.

Seriously, let me know if your in. The thing has 11 seats in it...


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My guess is that the 680V is slower than the aerostar, certainly if you are willing to run the A* high power, ROP.

As for the windshield, a lot of the turbines of that vintage use alcohol over relatively pedestrian $5K plastic rather than the $$$ heated glass.


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King Airs can do grass and gravel. If your regulations and insurance will is another question.

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Yes, that's the way you'd structure a lease typically. There are times where a lessee can rehabilitate an airplane in a way that benefits the lessor. In this case, the obvious trade would be for Adam to fix the leaks in exchange for x hours dry time. He gets to try out the plane at low risk and the owners get a much more salable plane.


You guys might want to listen to Charles on this one. I have no idea how he does it, but he's managed to operate a few airplanes this way.

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King Airs can do grass and gravel. If your regulations and insurance will is another question.

Generally no issues with insurance for King Airs on unimproved strips - usually this is disclosed in an application for insurance. If you intend to BASE the aircraft at an unimproved strip the policy may be underwritten differently than if it were on a hard surface runway airport.

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King Airs can do grass and gravel. If your regulations and insurance will is another question.

Generally no issues with insurance for King Airs on unimproved strips - usually this is disclosed in an application for insurance. If you intend to BASE the aircraft at an unimproved strip the policy may be underwritten differently than if it were on a hard surface runway airport.


I'll just say most underwriters are probably really glad my previous corporate job was self insured. (Oil company)

We were based at a large Houston area airport. I don't think I ever landed a plane there.

Some backcountry KA landings were closer to this than I'd like to remember.
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But hey, it was great experience and helped me get a slightly more sane job. :cheers:
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Whenever I think of an "upgrade" I think of this article:

http://livingstingy.blogspot.com/2008/1 ... -amok.html

And particularly this quote:
'Like any other hobby, taking it "to the next level" is often the fatal mistake. '


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What I lesrned from this is dont buy a boat, bike, BMW or RV.
He didnt talk about planes, so I think they are ok. :D


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Whenever I think of an "upgrade" I think of this article:

http://livingstingy.blogspot.com/2008/1 ... -amok.html

And particularly this quote:
'Like any other hobby, taking it "to the next level" is often the fatal mistake. '


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