I haven't flown any IFR lately where all I had to do is fly direct to an airport and then just load up an approach. The G1000 is fine if that's all you do. Now if I'm flying IFR in a jet and get a clearance to climb/descend via a complicated SID/STAR or a unpublished hold, all I have to do is push a button or two and go back to sleep while you are knob twisting on the Garmin. But yeah the proline doesn't do the really useful stuff like tell you the name of the lakes and roads you're flying over or make you more comfortable busting mins in the fog with SVT. If those things are important to you then the garmin is best. The purpose of my previous post was just to explain why the pro pilots who do nothing but fly IFR procedures in a jet every day prefer it over garmin, not argue that one is superior in every way. If you are gonna go VFR at 17.5 everywhere and pick up a clearance for an approach occasionally then you may like the Garmin better.

Nobody ever built any real airplanes with G1000 except for the Phenom 300 and it didn't last too long there before it was upgraded to the newer G3000 type system with touch screen FMS. You only see it in the cheaper planes like the mustang that are 99% owner flown and would be too expensive if they had used proline in it. Like I said earlier, the new G3000/5000 is probably way better which is why they are just now beginning to replace the Proline with it in the more expensive airframes. I still don't understand why pilatus chose the honeywell for your plane, never made sense to me but I haven't flown one so I don't know much about it. Might be a great system, I doubt I'll ever get to try it.

Knob twisting? I haven't twisted a knob in years. The Garmin will load up all the waypoints on an airway just like any other FMS. This isn't a big deal.

I said "GARMIN". I never differentiated between the 1000 or 3000. But the G1000 in the Phenom and Cirrus are light years ahead of PL21.

If I'm wrong then why doesn't anyone use PL21 anymore? Nobody seems to want to answer that question.

While you guys argue Garmin vs Pro line I'll stick with Honeywell.
That way when I move up to this http://www.dassaultfalcon.com/en/Aircra ... rview.aspx
It'll be an easy transition

William ! Now now, we have folks in the audience who are happy to remind us how Proline 21 is "old" and "dated". So what if it will turn a VOR approach into a Cat-3 VNAV to a full stop in zero/zero conditions. Remember ! It is "old"

- signed a happy Proline 21 guy

Who said "nobody is using P21" ? Now suddenly nobody is using P21 ? You might give that hot tidbit to Warren Buffet and Flightsafety, probably 50% + of their Level-D sim fleet are Proline 21.

Yes, Garmin is great. if you want to go hiking

I'd equate them this way.

Garmin G1000 is the iPhone. Suits a lot of people's needs, puts slick user interface over fairly functional software but has some decided shortcomings for "power users". Probably the easiest for someone with no fms background to figure out.

Universal is like a BlackBerry. Older. Actually better and more capable in some ways but not very pretty.

ProLine is like a Linux laptop that has a phone. More powerful, but unless you have been trained on it, you will HATE it. If you are a "power user" it will blow the other two out of the water.


I have no opinion on Honeywell. Haven't flown it.

If I'm not paying for the upkeep:

PL21
Universal
Garmin

If I'm paying for it (assuming non turbine GA or a SETP)
Garmin
PL21
Universal

If you have the turbine budget, I don't think the upkeep costs would stop me like they would putting it in a Baron.

Picture of the new bird. The tan color will be reprinted to red. All Nebraska planes must contain red.

Looks great.

What's "reprinted to red" mean?

The tan colored stripe will be repainted to red.

Oh, you wrote "reprinted".

They can just repaint a stripe?

Had a mistype.
Yes, the stripes are painted over the base white so they can paint right back over. They have to put down a neutral color primer so the original color doesn't bleed through the new color. They will do it in Grand Junction,Co where they paint all new PC12's. If we had decided to buy a week earlier we could of chose the colors..... Bad timing.

Very nice, you need a 5 blade on this puppy.

I would consider a 5 blade hartzell if it was available. I don't like the 5 blade MT because if it needs work it has to go to Germany. To much downtime.

Very cool!
And red is good!
Saw a red Nebraska Helo at the convention in Anaheim earlier this year. Looked cool.

I would consider a 5 blade hartzell if it was available. I don't like the 5 blade MT because if it needs work it has to go to Germany. To much downtime.