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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert  Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 17:29 |
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Username Protected wrote:
And it's not like they can't be painted again.
I thought the original Cirri couldn't be painted? Does paint on a Cirri need an STC? And, I'm not talking about just paint.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 17:46 |
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Jason, This is mine. In Feb., it was plain white with some vinyl graphics. Now it's one of a kind. At one time, you're right - you couldn't paint them. Now you can. It looks better than new. And there's no vinyl on it - all paint. Attachment: image.jpg Attachment: image.jpg Attachment: image.jpg Attachment: image.jpg
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 17:48 |
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Username Protected wrote:
And it's not like they can't be painted again.
I thought the original Cirri couldn't be painted? Does paint on a Cirri need an STC? And, I'm not talking about just paint.
I've never heard this, nor done any research to find out. An STC to paint a plane, ugh. I've been quite fast in old fiberglass boats and no, it's not the paint or gelcoat that is the problem, it's the layup de-laminating.
Is there really such a thing that the original Cirrus can't be painted? This must be an OWT?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convertneration Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 17:48 |
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I own an SR20, and do ALL maintenance on it...first generation. Its a great aircraft. 20 vs 22 because I can burn 9 gph instead of 18 gph, and SR22 maint is way more expensive. I actually have a better useful load too. Ok, so I only go 140-150 knots...I'm ok with that. Cirrus don't make you lazy; if you think so, then you are a lazy pilot period. Cirrus actually have a good safety record with the advent of CPPP and COPA, just like BPPP programs. I also fly an A36 for a friend and have always enjoyed that acft as well. Just two different birds. Safe skies and best wishes in your Cirrus and Beech adventures!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 17:52 |
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You know that they are not age limited right? Wouldn't they be if age was the driving factor behind safety of flight? Either way, you are assuming a problem that doesn't yet exist and for which there is no data to support in, what, 15 years of airframe life. I'm not arguing they will last 70 or 100 years. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But if you are concerned the airframe will last as long as you want to own it, the only number you have to worry about, right now, is 12,000 hours. Anything else is presumption/assumption/unfounded fear.
Ever seen an old fiberglass ski boat?
Yep. And I've seen a boat load (pun intended) of 1950-1960s era Corvettes whose body's were as structurally sound as the day they were made. Most of which have suffered through much harsher conditions than most Cirri ever will.
This discussion reminds me of the debate when I first got into cycling when the transition from steel to carbon was starting. The old timey steel guys would say how my "plastic bike" would never last. You can only buy steel frames from custom shops now, and my 2003 Trek 5900 with 30,000 miles on it is as structurally sound as it was the day I bought it. After a few high speed wrecks. You can buy a POS carbon frame that won't last. And some major bike manufacturers have had issues with cracking on some frames. But they always show up right away. If the carbon bike is well made to begin with, it will last longer than the rider.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 17:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nate;
The paint looks fantastic!! How about some interior shots? I'm kinda shy about it, but since you asked.... Attachment: image.jpg
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 18:41 |
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Well dang, my wife just posted a pic of her dad in front of my Bo. I loved that plane. And I love my SR22TN. Not one better than the other - just different missions. Attachment: image.jpg
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 21:32 |
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Username Protected wrote:
And why are you telling us? Your avatar says you fly a piper and your going to a cirrus, why not tell one of those groups? I'm not even going to waste my breath in responding.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 21:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nate;
The paint looks fantastic!! How about some interior shots? I'm kinda shy about it, but since you asked.... Attachment: image.jpg
Very nice Nate
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus convert Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 22:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: So Allen, you might buy one then? Only in my wildest dreams! Sundowner was right at the limits of my budget. Granted, with a newer plane, I would hope the maintenance would be more of a routine nature than what I went through with my Sundowner (engine overhaul, upgrade avionics, refresh interior, replaced aged engine parts, corrosion issues and the like). The problem for me getting a new plane of any type would be affording insurance, hangaring the plane (no way I would have it tied down outside). i don't know the cost of a normal annual on a Cirrus but I do suspect it would be higher then my "routine" $2K annual my sundowner had set me back every year. If my wallet would be fatter, I'd get back in airplane ownership in a heartbeat. After having sole ownership of a plane, partnership just not an option. That freedom of flying without scheduling, coordinating with others was priceless.
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