BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 10:19

Username Protected wrote:

Ryan ,

I agree. I fly approaches in the baron at 150 and about the same in the Duke. I don't fly out of short strips and I own fast planes to go fast, not to see how slow I can get them before falling out of the sky. If I want to putz around I will do it in a cub.

The trick will be finding a well built machine with the upgraded mods. I would really like to find a good airframe with old panel so I can retro it to the g3x.

When I was looking there was a very well built one at double eagle in Albuquerque that was still in primer and all the maintenance done at Performance One in Mesa Arizona. They are probably the top shop to talk to about GIII's and very down to earth and helpful with questions when I called.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 10:22

Why are they all very low time? Because they're getting there faster? I don't think so.

Try flying your Duke with 120kt gear extension speed on a few instrument flights and see how you like it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 10:27

And if you want to spend 200K+ I have a friend with a Turbine Legend that's an incredible plane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 10:32

Username Protected wrote:

And if you want to spend 200K+ I have a friend with a Turbine Legend that's an incredible plane.

Never flown one. Always wanted to. From what "they" told me it, it is a BMF! 200K ish for one sounds very reasonable.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 10:34

Username Protected wrote:

And if you want to spend 200K+ I have a friend with a Turbine Legend that's an incredible plane.

Never flown one. Always wanted to. From what "they" told me it, it is a BMF! 200K ish for one sounds very reasonable.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 11:40

Have you considered a Turbine Legend, instead?
This one is/was for sale ($275k). That plane is one of the few times I have been sorely tempted by a turbine.

http://www.n51pz.com/

Edit: I guess someone beat me to it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 11:48

Great thread.

I'm so frustrated with the certified aircraft industry lately. My RV-7 empennage kit is on the way... can't wait for this adventure!

I really, really like the Lancair Legacy. Gorgeous airplane with great numbers. I hope to build one some day.

Good luck :cheers:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 12:43

RE: Turbine Legend.

When we were doing Wings To Adventure, Scott Perdue (BTer), was our main formation pilot. Former F4 and F15E combat pilot and instructor.

After flying the Turbine Legend, Scott said that he hears many people say various planes fly like a fighter. They never do.

The Turbine Legend, though, was one that comes pretty close.

He liked it, as I remember.

Just one data point.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 13:44

Username Protected wrote:

Tim,
Just to clarify, you can put 2 or 3 G3x boxes and even add a GTN 650 in an experimental, giving you every conceivable gadget right now (SV, HITS, an autopilot that will climb or descend based on selected VS or airspeed, etc.), and even with the install it won't be anywhere near $60K. Same thing with the new Dynon Touch or the new GRT stuff...

Arlen,

The quote I priced was for a 3 Panel Garmin G3X, Dynon Backup, dual GTN 750s and Garmin A/P, Transponders.... Everything.
Still a lot cheaper then the R9 in the Cirrus or a KFC225, Garmin 600, dual GTN 750, JPI 960, Garmin Transponders...

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 13:54

Tim,

Why spend all that money? A 2-tube G3x, a single 650, and a GNC-255 will do more than you ever need. Why spend big money on dual certified big screen items that will just be outdated?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 13:55

The turbine legend is nice, and the turbine is reliable, but I don't want to have the possibility of a $150k problem with an engine. Dirt simple IO-540 and 14-15 GPH sounds much better to me. I can work on the 540 myself as well. Have no clue on how to work on the turbine.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 14:22

If the turbine legend has a pt6 (not sure) there are LOTS of cheap mid/high time engines available. The piston concept of problem = full overhaul doesn't hold so much.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 14:23

Username Protected wrote:

Those are good points Shaun. Yes, I would agree the impact survivability is not as good. I built and flew a Velocity back in 1994. I never worried about the impact. I worried about fire more. As for parts - price a gear door or a starter adapter for your Bonanza lately? With Garmin experimental avionics and autopilot and a Lycoming 540 I don't see much to spend there. The airframe parts are available from what I can tell. Insurance is pretty cheap on the non-pressurized singles. I think I can get insurance for about the same as a Bonanza.

I would only buy one that was professionally built or was given the go ahead by a shop that specializes in them. I remember doing the layups in my Velocity. It is pretty easy work, but requires attention. With that said, how many times has a 40 year old Bonanza been overspeeded, run through thunderstorms, landed hard, etc? Annual inspections don't catch everything.

Todd, have you read this article:

http://www.seqair.com/FlightTest/KillYo ... rself.html

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 14:24

Charles,

A cheap PT-6 is not cheap - trust me. Been around the KAs long enough to know that repairs start in the $10 AMU range for simple items. Sure, you can try to go cheap, but when turbines have problems due to cheap maintenance you do not get the same result as an abused piston.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2014, 14:27

Todd, I'm gonna talk you out of it.

4 place turbo cirrus. Decent speed, all safety aspects covered as best as possible. Go NA if you don't want the additional turbo 'stuff'. You also get two extra seats. That's the winner in my books.

Charter when you need more than 4 seats.

Reduce the hassle, get back to enjoying flying and leave the 'head-achy' heavy iron flying to those who fly them more than 20 plus hours a month.

Now talk me outta that plan ;-)

Talk me out of buying a Glasair III