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					|  Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus  Posted:  10 Oct 2011, 12:33  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote:  . . . Pretty interesting, his posing as a doctor (but he didn't claim to own a Bonanza, so that is immediately suspect). . .  _________________
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					|  Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus  Posted:  10 Oct 2011, 12:34  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: His exploits make me wonder how/why Cirrus would have even done any business with him at all... Because he has enough of a following of conspiracy theorists that his site produces enough 'unique hits' to make him interesting as an advertising venue. Looking at his pas performance, he also seems to be a talented salesman (passing yourself off as a doctor isn't too hard, selling yourself as faculty at an aviation college is in a different league). People like him are the reason you have to go through a background check deeper than the FBI would do just to get a first year job as a part121 first officer these days.
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus  Posted:  10 Oct 2011, 13:25  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: Just buy a V-tail and look nervous.  Lots of chin rubbing and such. scrubs....don't forget scrubs....need to wear them to the airport, etc..._________________
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					|  Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus  Posted:  10 Oct 2011, 14:40  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: Maybe I'm naive (or stupid....my ex tells me I'm stupid very often)....I just think someone claiming to be a doctor, in any type of clinical setting, would give themselves away very quickly. He was smart enough to never really get into a clinical setting, he was a doctor to his co-workers and other folks in his apartment complex:http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom/tulsa.html His exposure to the doctoring trade was apparently his grandfather, a 'real doctor'. Quote:   There's just too much "insider, unwritten" information...kind of like someone posing as a pilot quickly exposes themselves to those who are.  .
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 Perhaps the exception would be someone with medical background...a nurse or paramedic.
 I believe that most of the real impostor cases (where the impostor saw patients in hospitals or nursing homes) involved people who knew the lingo and mannerisms through prior work in the field, (medical assistants, 'cuban doctors' etc. ) '.
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					|  Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus  Posted:  10 Oct 2011, 17:54  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: Interesting view ("passing yourself off as a doctor isn't too hard").... Stan, I've been known to do that from time to time.    I have a flying buddy who is a Cardiologist and when I call him at the office about personal stuff l always tell the receptionist that answers, "this is Dr. Guthmiller calling for Dr. xxxx". They always put me right through like I'm important or something...   Dave
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus  Posted:  10 Oct 2011, 20:37  |  |  
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					| I know Dale a pretty well, and Dale is a good guy.  My guess is the reason why he has not re-engaged with Jim since AOPA is because the company lawyers have forbid him from doing so.  Dale would want to sit down and work it out.  Corporate lawyers are not going to agree to that.  
 One thing for sure in Jim's diatribe, I haven't heard of anyone who is sad to see Brent Wouter's departure from Cirrus.
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					| As a post script to my previous post, I talked to Dale for quite a while at AOPA Summit and we talked a little about the Chinese owners.  He told me something that scare the hell out of all of us.....
 "It is nice to be working with a company who takes the long view instead of the next quarterly report."
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: As a post script to my previous post, I talked to Dale for quite a while at AOPA Summit and we talked a little about the Chinese owners.  He told me something that scare the hell out of all of us.....
 "It is nice to be working with a company who takes the long view instead of the next quarterly report."
 
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					| Maybe I'm running on the wrong track here, but besides all the comments made, how does a journalistic publication say they are independent when entering into deals like this with sponsors?  
 I understand the manner in which deals like this are normally done is to take the plane subject to a note and have the note reduced each year by an amount of equivalent services provided.  But, how can a journalist maintain they are reasonably independent when subject to an agreement like this?
 
 I understand many sponsors provide things to docs, journalists, etc, but a multi year note for something of this value would sure make me question anything this party said about said vendor.  Should something like this be disclosed to readers?
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus  Posted:  11 Oct 2011, 13:08  |  |  
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					| That's absolutely right.
 When you make marketing and financial agreements with the people you're writing about....you're a vanity press.  You've lost your ability to claim journalistic purity.
 
 You'd think that ANN would have known the GA business was in the bucket.  A lot of people couldn't get paid.  Cirrus probably did dump on him......but, using your leverage is a nasty game, and the nuclear option is one heck of a slippery slope.
 
 All of ANN's claims may be legitimate but....I wonder how many other advertisers will want to build a complicated marketing relationship with them in the future.  When he's not happy, he's left his roadmap on how he plans to resolve it.
 
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