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 Post subject: Re: TBM PT6A-64 engine approaching TBO (3300 hours) options
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At least hot and continue is an option. If one does that and then u assume a 1mm at the next cycle, the cost per hour really isn’t that bad.

That is my JT15D-5A strategy for my Citation.

My cycle limits suggest one extended (past TBO) HSI followed by one OH will get the most economic value from the engines I have. That's about 5500 more hours at which point my airplane will be salvage as too many things cycle out at that point (discs, impeller, landing gear, etc). At my rate of flying, that is 40-50 years.

I estimate the HSI, OH, HSI in today's dollars to be about $1.4M, so that's $250 per hour for engines, which is a decent deal. Over the next 2000 hours, I only need one HSI, say $50K per side, which is only $50 per hour, a fantastic deal. I am very likely to not own the airplane by the time those 2000 hours are up.

BAS Parts just emailed me that they are taking apart another Citation V. Seems like it will be easy to get Citation V parts for a while, this is the third V/Ultra they have parted out, and Yingling did two of them this year also.

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 Post subject: Re: TBM PT6A-64 engine approaching TBO (3300 hours) options
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BAS Parts just emailed me that they are taking apart another Citation V.

Reason: gear up at KRBD on Sep 6, 2025.
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The two "pilots" were flying under an alias, had no medical, weren't qualified, and left before the FAA got there.

Now 3 months later, it has become parts.

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The two "pilots" were flying under an alias, had no medical, weren't qualified, and left before the FAA got there.

Now 3 months later, it has become parts.

Mike C.
Sounds like there's a lot more to this story. Any more info or a link to details?

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 Post subject: Re: TBM PT6A-64 engine approaching TBO (3300 hours) options
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Sounds like there's a lot more to this story. Any more info or a link to details?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 6386105440

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/543503

I am guilty of taking some Facebook hearsay and repeating it here without any corroboration, so all of that may be suspect.

Sad end for a ~7500 hour Citation V. BAS sent me the status sheet, so I'm looking over what parts I may want to buy for spares.

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I know the owner of the airplane, really well. He's an aviation guy, mechanic, pilot and dealer. Good guy and I feel really bad for him, he was so excited about this airplane.

As far as I know the rumors don't match reality, but it is true that the contract pilot did not have a medical.

How in the heck do you gear up a Citation?

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Sad end for a ~7500 hour Citation V
Mike C.


That's the worst part, we can't afford to lose nice airplanes.

Such low time, it did have foreign history early in it's life, but Austria and Switzerland so not bad.

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Photos from our files, so they are from several years ago.


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Photos from our files, so they are from several years ago.


Seems that the pilot had a lot of confidence in the autopilot to snap that second picture.


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Photos from our files, so they are from several years ago.


Seems that the pilot had a lot of confidence in the autopilot to snap that second picture.


Yep! I dislike it when photographers do that kind of stuff.

One of the bright sides of not selling airplanes... I don't have to deal with photographers!
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 Post subject: Re: TBM PT6A-64 engine approaching TBO (3300 hours) options
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Seems that the pilot had a lot of confidence in the autopilot to snap that second picture.

Photoshop sells airplanes. Those pics are obviously faked.

I wonder why this plane wasn't viable for repair. 7500 hours is decent time, current on inspections, recent hot sections, Garminized G700 TXi panel, nice interior, etc. One would think the repair would be viable for the value of this plane.

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Seems that the pilot had a lot of confidence in the autopilot to snap that second picture.

Photoshop sells airplanes. Those pics are obviously faked.

I wonder why this plane wasn't viable for repair. 7500 hours is decent time, current on inspections, recent hot sections, Garminized G700 TXi panel, nice interior, etc. One would think the repair would be viable for the value of this plane.

Mike C.


I can ask, but the owner worked for Trim Air for years, so if it were repairable I'm assuming he would have done it!
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Seems that the pilot had a lot of confidence in the autopilot to snap that second picture.

Photoshop sells airplanes. Those pics are obviously faked.

I wonder why this plane wasn't viable for repair. 7500 hours is decent time, current on inspections, recent hot sections, Garminized G700 TXi panel, nice interior, etc. One would think the repair would be viable for the value of this plane.

Mike C.


One could tie up the original purchase price for a year or more while throwing money at it weakly not knowing what the market will be like when it gets completed. Or get the original investment back in a couple of months with tons of marketable parts left to sell for many years.

With a lot less risk it is frequently more viable to part it out. It is much less effort and usually more profitable in the long run.

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I can ask, but the owner worked for Trim Air for years, so if it were repairable I'm assuming he would have done it!


Mexia? I think that’s where old Dale L used to take his Duke but he used a bolt for a control lock and that got him in the end leaving there out of maintenance one day.


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Seems that the pilot had a lot of confidence in the autopilot to snap that second picture.

Photoshop sells airplanes. Those pics are obviously faked.

I wonder why this plane wasn't viable for repair. 7500 hours is decent time, current on inspections, recent hot sections, Garminized G700 TXi panel, nice interior, etc. One would think the repair would be viable for the value of this plane.

Mike C.

Service center estimates have gotten absolutely out of control. I saw a 560 get written for high 6 figures of hail damage.

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Service center estimates have gotten absolutely out of control. I saw a 560 get written for high 6 figures of hail damage.

Those are "drag reduction dimples", not defects.

Fortunately, legacy Citations don't have to be maintained at the service center.

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