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Post subject: Re: T-6 Texan - Looking for collective BT wisdom  Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 13:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: But...8900.1 now has currency and practice requirements.
The rewrite is a huge ball of tangled string... However, I don't think you're correct. I swear this is worse than the "can I log PIC time" discussions! Apologies for diving into the details on this Leldon! From what I can tell on the controlling document, for standard formation airshow flying, the only requirements are that you have some type of industry recognized formation card and have met their currency requirements (generally once a year you need to have filed a "formation proficiency report"). I can't find anything imposing additional requirements. However, the new 8900.1 does add two new classifications for SAC cards: Solo and Formation "Dynamic Maneuvering". These do have the standard practice provisions of any SAC card, which actually were extended in this rewrite. If anyone really cares, here's the doc: https://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?do ... 3,Ch6,Sec1Robert
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Post subject: Re: T-6 Texan - Looking for collective BT wisdom Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 14:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: But...8900.1 now has currency and practice requirements.
The rewrite is a huge ball of tangled string... However, I don't think you're correct. I swear this is worse than the "can I log PIC time" discussions! Apologies for diving into the details on this Leldon! From what I can tell on the controlling document, for standard formation airshow flying, the only requirements are that you have some type of industry recognized formation card and have met their currency requirements (generally once a year you need to have filed a "formation proficiency report"). I can't find anything imposing additional requirements. However, the new 8900.1 does add two new classifications for SAC cards: Solo and Formation "Dynamic Maneuvering". These do have the standard practice provisions of any SAC card, which actually were extended in this rewrite. If anyone really cares, here's the doc: https://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?do ... 3,Ch6,Sec1Robert
In the linked doc, it's here, last line item h:
3-146 PARTICIPANT AND AIRCRAFT ELIGIBILITY.
D. Standard Maneuvering Flight Demonstrations. Each civil pilot who wishes to conduct standard solo and/or formation maneuvers at an aviation event (air show or flyover) must meet the following criteria.
1) Standard Maneuvering–Formation. Pilots conducting standard formation maneuvering must:
a) Be in possession of a valid industry formation credential issued by the RIO in accordance with their FAA-accepted formation manual.
b) Comply with the provisions of subparagraph 3-148L.
c) Not perform any maneuvers that qualify as dynamic maneuvering.
d) Meet the training and proficiency requirements (to include mass formations) established by the RIO’s FAA-accepted formation manuals.
e) Attend a briefing given by the flight leader of the proposed flight that meets the requirements of the FAA RIO that issued the flight leader’s industry formation credential.
f) Attend the required Participants Safety Briefing. All team members not in attendance must be briefed by the flight leader (mandatory attendance) of the details.
g) Sign the Safety Briefing Signature Form and ensure the responsible person/flight leader provided the IIC a list of the pilots flying in the formation.
h) Show evidence of performing or practicing their standard maneuvering formation performance(s) within the previous 45 days.
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Post subject: Re: T-6 Texan - Looking for collective BT wisdom Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 12:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: In the linked doc, it's here, last line item h:
h) Show evidence of performing or practicing their standard maneuvering formation performance(s) within the previous 45 days. Well dang, nice catch! You (and Leldon) are totally correct! My apologies guys. Totally missed that they had slipped that in there... Going to be really interesting to see how "practicing" is interpreted - Does it have to be with the people & planes you are actually performing with, or do you just have to do some type of formation work within the last 45 days? There are a lot of grey areas like that in this doc (and have been forever). For example, when the practice requirements were much shorter (forgotten what they were - 14 days perhaps?) I know at least one airshow pilot who, on the way to the show, did a roll and called it a "practice". Typical BT conversation - Starts with a T6 discussion then evolves into a discussion of airshow waivers... Robert
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Post subject: Re: T-6 Texan - Looking for collective BT wisdom Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 15:12 |
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My Stearman partner and I have been kicking around the idea of getting a T6. Somebody, even though it's not for sale, just gave us a very good offer on the Stearman. We talked it over and decided the T6 is probably not going to happen mostly due to operating costs. Fuel costs are staggering. I imagine insurance is also an eye opener. Username Protected wrote: Mine still has stock brakes. Im on the second set of shoes in 25 years on it. I'm of the opinion that redlines aren't necessary on a T6. (different opinion on a Stearman, BTW).
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Post subject: Re: T-6 Texan - Looking for collective BT wisdom Posted: 18 Jul 2020, 18:47 |
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Quote: The organizer and air boss asked him to fly his glider. No one at the airshow said a peep to the FSDO and the FAA folks that are always roaming the airshows didn't blink. ...but then he posted the video to Facebook or YouTube and someone (bored/overzealous ASI) turned him in and a certificate action and 6 months as a landlubber/wingrunner ensued. Here is that glider video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwK9wu8Cxeo
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