BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 19:21

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Last week. West Bound.

The departure airports don't match in your screenshots.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 21:29

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That is solid. What alt and what true air speed? Also, what is your fuel burn in cruise?

Pc12 is such a cool plane.

The info is in that pic I posted. I cruise in the 260's. I had a headwind the whole way. Flew at FL280 burning about 360PPH. Landed with 450Lbs.

The only single pilot planes that will beat it are CJ3, CJ4 and Phenom.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 21:32

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260knots sounds painful though.

As opposed to?

You'll notice my average TAS in the pic is in the high 250's..... Report back your "average TAS" on the same flight.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 21:47

As oppossed to getting there faster and having the safety of two engines.

The Commander gets the same MPG as your pilatus its just faster and has an extra engine.

300kts 420 to 440 lbs/hr FL280

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 21:49

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260knots sounds painful though.

As opposed to?

You'll notice my average TAS in the pic is in the high 250's..... Report back your "average TAS" on the same flight.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 21:53

So, to answer my own question, is there no airplane under a million bucks that can do 1,500 NM westbound and take off from 3500 grass and land at 2,800 paved and live in a 50 foot hangar with 14 feet height? I think the answer is NO; am I chasing a unicorn here?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 22:00

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So, to answer my own question, is there no airplane under a million bucks that can do 1,500 NM westbound and take off from 3500 grass and land at 2,800 paved and live in a 50 foot hangar with 14 feet height? I think the answer is NO; am I chasing a unicorn here?

When you plugged in 250 kts you wiped out the Tbone.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 22:15

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So, to answer my own question, is there no airplane under a million bucks that can do 1,500 NM westbound and take off from 3500 grass and land at 2,800 paved and live in a 50 foot hangar with 14 feet height? I think the answer is NO; am I chasing a unicorn here?

Most with million dollar plane budgets have bigger hangars/longer runways, especially those who justify regular coast to coast trips

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 22:26

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It's more than $400. CJ cost more to operate. AOPA has Cj3 at 1,680 an hour and Pilatus at 1000.
1680*4= 6720. 1000*4= 4000. $2720 more for CJ. I have seen the Pilatus cost per as low as 700.

You took my post out of context. I was replying to the claim that the CJ burned 1000 lbs. more. There was no discussion comparing opex.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 22:32

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The departure airports don't match in your screenshots.

What's with all your amateur comments? You never pick up a flight plan in the air?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 22:44

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And I would gladly pay the extra $400 in fuel to land 2 hours sooner.

So would I. That's why I'm shopping CJ3, CJ4 and Phenom 300.

Not paying the extra to make a stop.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 22:56

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So, to answer my own question, is there no airplane under a million bucks that can do 1,500 NM westbound and take off from 3500 grass and land at 2,800 paved and live in a 50 foot hangar with 14 feet height? I think the answer is NO; am I chasing a unicorn here?

I think a Conquest II is about as close as you are going to get. Looks like it needs ~2500 feet t/o at sea level according to Google search...not sure penalty is for grass vs pavement. We chartered one a few months while waiting to take delivery of our PC12. Hell of a plane...IIRC it was ~300ktas, FL260, and 500pph

Check out what Max N wrote toward the bottom of the thread linked below...might be worth dropping him a line to pick his brain.

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=124574&start=75

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Sep 2016, 23:45

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So, to answer my own question, is there no airplane under a million bucks that can do 1,500 NM westbound and take off from 3500 grass and land at 2,800 paved and live in a 50 foot hangar with 14 feet height? I think the answer is NO; am I chasing a unicorn here?

Michael, I ran across this and thought about this thread. It's a conversion to the IV-P by RDD in Redmond OR. Cost a little over a half a million and you supply the IV-P. Also comes with Ballistic Recovery Parachute.

Best Power 260 KTAS @ 24 gph
Best Economy 250 KTAS @ 18 gph
Service Ceiling FL250
Vso 62 KCAS
Climb Rate 2000 Ft/min
1,500 lb useful load
Seats 4
Wingspan 34 feet
Length 25 feet
Fuel Capacity 180 gallons
Range 1650 nm in 6.2 hrs with 1 hr reserve

http://www.rddent.com/lx7.html

http://www.lx7aircraft.com

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Sep 2016, 01:55

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300kts 420 to 440 lbs/hr FL280

That's what I get too. Almost as if we have the same engines.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Sep 2016, 07:16

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I think the answer is NO; am I chasing a unicorn here?

Best I can tell, yes. You might be able to graft a goat horn onto a horse if you allocated $100K of that budget to either

1) one-off STC/DER of aux tanks
2) building a bigger hangar

1500 miles westbound planes?