but you were willing to settle for 18k right? So you're going to court over the difference between 18 and 25k, no?

So, it was only 25 hours past the nominal HSI interval?

The HSI interval, and any tolerance, is usually specified in document provide by the engine maker.

SB 7003, rev 21:

https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/con ... s_id=15344

This one suggests HSI has a +/- 50 hour tolerance. See page 5.


So the lessor wants to lease you an airplane up against HSI, have YOU pay for the HSI or extension, then take back the airplane?

Well, that's ballsy.

I can understand the bitterness here, but given you are out 20 hours of operating costs, I don't think the legal angle will pay off. You are in for a frustrating long process where you won't recover all of your money, perhaps none of it, and none of your time.

There is a time to stand up for one's principles, and there's a time to chalk it up to experience and move on. This feels like it is in the latter category to me.

Mike C.

But he didn't agree to anything so the baseline is $0. Not $18. I am going to court for $25k and legal fees. $18k makes me go away.

So, it was only 25 hours past the nominal HSI interval?

The HSI interval, and any tolerance, is usually specified in document provide by the engine maker.

SB 7003, rev 21:

https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/con ... s_id=15344

This one suggests HSI has a +/- 50 hour tolerance. See page 5.


So the lessor wants to lease you an airplane up against HSI, have YOU pay for the HSI or extension, then take back the airplane?

Well, that's ballsy.

I can understand the bitterness here, but given you are out 20 hours of operating costs, I don't think the legal angle will pay off. You are in for a frustrating long process where you won't recover all of your money, perhaps none of it, and none of your time.

There is a time to stand up for one's principles, and there's a time to chalk it up to experience and move on. This feels like it is in the latter category to me.

Mike C.

Seriously if there is a consensus that getting screwed for $25k is just the price of doing business I have to consider that. You ok if I just drop it and let each successive guy learn th same lesson?

I like it. How? Two to tango and all that. Give me some ideas.

Losing won't change his character.

You could lose and be out a grip with a countersuit.

You got 7 hours so the loss is something less than $25K.

Nobody really wins in a lawsuit.

Life is too short.

Tell your story accurately with detail and documentation online. This will serve your stated purpose and save the money and headache.

No. Possible backfire on you. Possible he can actually explain the issue satisfactorily. Will not get back any of your money.


That bell can't be unrung as this thread illustrates. Realize that you are seeking only vengeance by doing so.


Yes.

You only have so much emotional energy and hours of life, spend it elsewhere.

If you knew you would die soon, would you spend time on this? I bet you'd find something more rewarding to do with what life you have left. In the end, all you have is time, use it wisely.

Mike C.

Excellent

No. Possible backfire on you. Possible he can actually explain the issue satisfactorily. Will not get back any of your money.


That bell can't be unrung as this thread illustrates. Realize that you are seeking only vengeance by doing so.


Yes.

You only have so much emotional energy and hours of life, spend it elsewhere.

If you knew you would die soon, would you spend time on this? I bet you'd find something more rewarding to do with what life you have left. In the end, all you have is time, use it wisely.

Mike C.

Excellent

Excellent

Mark,

No one can make this decision but you. I've been on both end of lawsuits and there are no winners in cases like these. $25k in trivial when you accurately account for your time and the stress that will be associated with this suit. Unfortunately regardless of the outcome it won't change the owner's character, and it certainly won't bring about sweeping reform.

Everyone always says the attorneys are the only winners - that's a bit crazy - as they are simply doing the job we hired them to do.

One final thing - if you think you will find more "support" on the Cessna boards - you might be in for a surprise - there might be a lot of owners who interpret the rules about HSI the same as the guy you want to bring suit against, and a lot of pilots "operators" who either are clueless or do what many others accept as a standard practice....

Good luck with your decision.

Peace,
Don

I could argue with the folks that say move on. Life is too short. The only thing we spend that is not recoverable is time.... and as one gets a bit older time becomes more valuable.

I could also argue that it takes and effort to do the homework. (Not saying it wasn't done, as sometimes we can't get all the info we need to do a deal). I could argue to not put deposits down unless there's an iron clad way to get them back if you feel you're being screwed... and have someone else hold them. Sometimes you just have to pass on a deal or treat the deposit as a "possible education" and walk from it, if the deal is good enough.

Mark, you're choice, and best to whatever you do. You do have great council so you're in good hands. Just a thought... you might find someone over on the Cessna board in the same situation that may be an asset. Good luck.

That may be your impression, I think (my impression) that he wants a con exposed to save others from being taken. Or at least to have the owner understand the HSI requirement.

Jeff