BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 08:13

Username Protected wrote:

Just so you know, the base price for the non-T SR22 is $519K. There are many options that can be added.

And even in its most basic trim, it is more feature loaded than 99% of the legacy fleet.
If you don't load up on the options, the UL on the NA SR22 is 1330lb. That's full tanks and 4 FAA adults with 30lbs luggage each. Adding the known ice package reduces the payload to 4 adults and 15lbs each.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 11:29

That's cool and all but wait until that remote key-less entry goes TU and costs $1500 to repair, because after all, it will have to be an "approved part". I bet the key fob will cost $500.

Gee wiz technology comes at too high of a price in certified GA.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 11:48

Its always the same story, you can't compare new vs used. Your F33 is, at least, 22 years old. Looks are subjective and there's no denying the performance of a cirrus.

Cirrus is innovative. Looking at some of the planes at oshkosh, one was red and had seats that looked right out of an f430, another had lots of alcantara, reminded me of a gt3rs. But beech got a new air conditioner. Really?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 11:48

Username Protected wrote:

That's cool and all but wait until that remote key-less entry goes TU and costs $1500 to repair, because after all, it will have to be an "approved part". I bet the key fob will cost $500.

I think you are being wildly optimistic on how much it will cost to repair. I would add another zero.

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Gee wiz technology comes at too high of a price in certified GA.

Very true.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 12:29

Username Protected wrote:

Now that UL is impressive but my F33A has a UL of 1328lbs and it looks a lot better, plus you can raise the gear and it costs a lot less.

And as I said, even in its basic trim it has more features than 99% of the legacy fleet. Yes, you have the same UL but it doesn't get you an integrated AP, two doors, BRS, G1000 etc.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 12:51

Username Protected wrote:

Its always the same story, you can't compare new vs used. Your F33 is, at least, 22 years old. Looks are subjective and there's no denying the performance of a cirrus.

Cirrus is innovative. Looking at some of the planes at oshkosh, one was red and had seats that looked right out of an f430, another had lots of alcantara, reminded me of a gt3rs. But beech got a new air conditioner. Really?

Would you buy that f430 if it had a body that looked like a Ford Focus

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 12:57

Username Protected wrote:

Its always the same story, you can't compare new vs used. Your F33 is, at least, 22 years old. Looks are subjective and there's no denying the performance of a cirrus.

Cirrus is innovative. Looking at some of the planes at oshkosh, one was red and had seats that looked right out of an f430, another had lots of alcantara, reminded me of a gt3rs. But beech got a new air conditioner. Really?

+1

You can't compare old to new. It's 2 different animals.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 13:16

Username Protected wrote:

That's cool and all but wait until that remote key-less entry goes TU and costs $1500 to repair, because after all, it will have to be an "approved part". I bet the key fob will cost $500.

Gee wiz technology comes at too high of a price in certified GA.

So, if you were a new airplane designer right now, instead of putting in gee wiz technology that customers want and are willing to pay for, what would you put in instead and how do you know the customers would buy it? Just curious.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 14:23

I hate this new stuff Cirrus is putting out.

Because I cannot afford it. :sad:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 15:10

Username Protected wrote:

Its always the same story, you can't compare new vs used. Your F33 is, at least, 22 years old. Looks are subjective and there's no denying the performance of a cirrus.

Cirrus is innovative. Looking at some of the planes at oshkosh, one was red and had seats that looked right out of an f430, another had lots of alcantara, reminded me of a gt3rs. But beech got a new air conditioner. Really?

Would you buy that f430 if it had a body that looked like a Ford Focus

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 15:24

Username Protected wrote:

You can compare a new cirrus to a g36 if you want. The cirrus flies higher, faster, has more useful load and the avionics are better.

Do they still make the G36?

Do they still deliver G36's NA and with the knob turning G1000?

Is the warranty still void if you install the TN on the G36?

LOLOLOL

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 15:25

Username Protected wrote:

The keyless entry... I've been wanting that for years!
Like most things they do, they make them look really nice.

I've got keyless entry on my Columbia and I've never used it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 16:47

Username Protected wrote:

The keyless entry... I've been wanting that for years!
Like most things they do, they make them look really nice.

I've got keyless entry on my Columbia and I've never used it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 17:30

Username Protected wrote:

That's cool and all but wait until that remote key-less entry goes TU and costs $1500 to repair, because after all, it will have to be an "approved part". I bet the key fob will cost $500.

Gee wiz technology comes at too high of a price in certified GA.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Feb 2016, 18:12

Seems like a lot of folks forget about the tax implications of buying a new airplane. While the sticker price may be $700,000, few people will ever shell out the entire $700,000 in cash. It will most likely be spread over 20 years and be a business expense. Then, after about 3-5 years, they will buy another one and get another tax deduction. The after tax actual cash outflow will be less than you think, it should help grow their business, they fly a new airplane, we get to read about all the new gadgets, and it is good for the economy.

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