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 Post subject: Re: SR22 Transition Training
PostPosted: 03 Jan 2016, 12:55 
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Just bring your Seneca to tip-top condition ($$$), and improve the dispatch reliability. I would stay with it.
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Just bring your Seneca to tip-top condition ($$$), and improve the dispatch reliability. I would stay with it.
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Or sell it and get a Baron which is what you should have done the first time. :hide:

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 Post subject: Re: SR22 Transition Training
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Just bring your Seneca to tip-top condition ($$$), and improve the dispatch reliability. I would stay with it.
KW


I'm working on it. I still have an aileron rigging issue that's in progress and a prop overhaul required. Hope to have her back in service and mostly squawk free in a couple weeks.

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 Post subject: Re: SR22 Transition Training
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Don,

There is an SR22 (non turbo) for rent at my airport. They wanted 250 hours, IFR, and 10-20 hours transition. Rent was around $350-400 DRY as I recall.

What requirements and pricing on yours? Wet or Dry?

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 Post subject: Re: SR22 Transition Training
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Don,

There is an SR22 (non turbo) for rent at my airport. They wanted 250 hours, IFR, and 10-20 hours transition. Rent was around $350-400 DRY as I recall.

What requirements and pricing on yours? Wet or Dry?


Sheldon,

This is an NA 2014 SR22 G5 in beautiful condition. They wanted 50 hours of dual prior to solo flight under the open pilot clause of the insurance policy. I negotiated with the FBO to have them simply add my name to the policy and then pay the difference in premium. My requirement then dropped to 15 hours of dual. You may be able to negotiate with them.

I've got ~900 hours and lots of HP, CC time, so depending on your experience, you may have different requirements.

They are renting this one for $400 wet and that also includes TKS fluid fills. I thought it was a pretty good deal considering it's a $600K+ bird.

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This is EXACTLY my point. You will be starting over again unless you are buying new and even then........
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A few year old Cirrus is NOT "starting over".


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This is EXACTLY my point. You will be starting over again unless you are buying new and even then........
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A few year old Cirrus is NOT "starting over".


That's my feeling as well...
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Don,

There is an SR22 (non turbo) for rent at my airport. They wanted 250 hours, IFR, and 10-20 hours transition. Rent was around $350-400 DRY as I recall.

What requirements and pricing on yours? Wet or Dry?


Sheldon,

This is an NA 2014 SR22 G5 in beautiful condition. They wanted 50 hours of dual prior to solo flight under the open pilot clause of the insurance policy. I negotiated with the FBO to have them simply add my name to the policy and then pay the difference in premium. My requirement then dropped to 15 hours of dual. You may be able to negotiate with them.

I've got ~900 hours and lots of HP, CC time, so depending on your experience, you may have different requirements.

They are renting this one for $400 wet and that also includes TKS fluid fills. I thought it was a pretty good deal considering it's a $600K+ bird.


Cheaper than owning!

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Sheldon,

This is an NA 2014 SR22 G5 in beautiful condition. They wanted 50 hours of dual prior to solo flight under the open pilot clause of the insurance policy. I negotiated with the FBO to have them simply add my name to the policy and then pay the difference in premium. My requirement then dropped to 15 hours of dual. You may be able to negotiate with them.

I've got ~900 hours and lots of HP, CC time, so depending on your experience, you may have different requirements.

They are renting this one for $400 wet and that also includes TKS fluid fills. I thought it was a pretty good deal considering it's a $600K+ bird.


Cheaper than owning!


No doubt Tony! However not nearly as convenient or fun either...
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One other thought. Do you fly enough per year to stay proficient in a twin? Once you have a single with less fuel cost, you may find yourself flying more in the single and less in the twin. If you fly 250 hrs/yr, then it is a non-issue. But if you fly 100-150 then it may be something to consider.
I just bought a Baron and still have my Mooney. Although I can afford keeping it, plus that it does give me an increase in dispatch reliability when the Baron is down for maintenance, I decided to sell it so that all my flying is done in the twin to increase proficiency.
One other thing. I was torn between getting a twin vs a Cirrus for the longest time (second engine vs parachute debate). I decided to go with the twin because financially I could not afford the Cirrus I wanted (2009 G3 model). While I am still training to get my twin rating, I have to admit that one engine ops are by no means easy, and I can easily see why it can end up in disaster. Engine out in cruise is not difficult to master, but engine out on climb-out or shooting an approach on one engine definitely are definitely keeping me busy. Pulling a chute in those conditions probably would be a safer option than struggling to keep an airplane under control while it is trying to flip you.


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One other thought. Do you fly enough per year to stay proficient in a twin? Once you have a single with less fuel cost, you may find yourself flying more in the single and less in the twin. If you fly 250 hrs/yr, then it is a non-issue. But if you fly 100-150 then it may be something to consider.
I just bought a Baron and still have my Mooney. Although I can afford keeping it, plus that it does give me an increase in dispatch reliability when the Baron is down for maintenance, I decided to sell it so that all my flying is done in the twin to increase proficiency.
One other thing. I was torn between getting a twin vs a Cirrus for the longest time (second engine vs parachute debate). I decided to go with the twin because financially I could not afford the Cirrus I wanted (2009 G3 model). While I am still training to get my twin rating, I have to admit that one engine ops are by no means easy, and I can easily see why it can end up in disaster. Engine out in cruise is not difficult to master, but engine out on climb-out or shooting an approach on one engine definitely are definitely keeping me busy. Pulling a chute in those conditions probably would be a safer option than struggling to keep an airplane under control while it is trying to flip you.


Stephan,
That's a very valid point and thanks for bringing it up. I anticipate that I'll want to fly the Cirrus a lot not due to fuel economy but because it's such a pleasure to fly. I like the Seneca but the Cirrus is an all-around fantastic flying experience. Incidentally, a 2009 G3 Turbo is what I'm leaning towards.

I fly roughly 200 hrs/yr and while weighing all various choices in running multiple a/c, I set a floor of at least 75 hrs / yr in the twin as minimal annual hours along with annual recurrent training. I don't feel that I would be as proficient as I should be below those minimums. The Seneca is relatively benign in single engine ops and I've experienced an actual engine out. It turned out to be a relatively non-event but to your point, had it been just after takeoff, it would've been much more challenging and regular flying, proficiency checks and regular mental practicing for SE ops is required to stay safe.

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Don, your thread about the cirrus prompted me to go look at one....and amazingly enough, it's hard to find a place in Atlanta that will show you a cirrus.

"We're all booked up....we don't fly m on sunday....it's IFR today...etc"


They seem to be in demand.

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Stan,

Did you call that guy whose name I gave you? If he told you that I'm gonna be annoyed!

Come to OKC, or we meet somewhere and you can fly my plane all you want. LMK!


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Same offer to you here at KTOL Stan. Especially if you fly one of your toys out here!

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Don, your thread about the cirrus prompted me to go look at one....and amazingly enough, it's hard to find a place in Atlanta that will show you a cirrus.

"We're all booked up....we don't fly m on sunday....it's IFR today...etc"

They seem to be in demand.


Did you try http://www.ascensionair.net/ in Atlanta?

They sell shares so I would think they would be anxious to show them.


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