Very interesting. Although it has been coming for so long, it is exciting to see all new concepts finally introduced in this segment.

At least it has an enclosed lavatory, which I'm sure will count for a few sales alone. It's like, the only one in that segment that does.

Now, all it needs is another 1000nm range and we're looking at the perfect SP jet right there….

Yup. Needs more range.

That's it. Long range is the best speed mod there is. You probably beat any SP jet on that last trip of yours from CA to GA just by going direct. Doesn't matter if their jet does 400kts if it has to stop once. Nobody has descended from the FL's, landed refuelled, filed, cleared and gone back to the same FL in less than 1,5hrs. Advantage gone.

That's it. Long range is the best speed mod there is. You probably beat any SP jet on that last trip of yours from CA to GA just by going direct. Doesn't matter if their jet does 400kts if it has to stop once. Nobody has descended from the FL's, landed refuelled, filed, cleared and gone back to the same FL in less than 1,5hrs. Advantage gone.

What's the min. range it needs for it to be "enough" for a light jet? 1500nm?

This is a great question. If you live in California do you need to fly to NYC nonstop? Its all really relative. I would like to have a 1500 mile range so I could reliably go to the east coast and come back with no stops either way. But realistically I only do those trips 3-4 times a year. An 800 mile range, while it looks paltry, would get my missions done 90% of the time. While a 1500 mile range would be nice it would make the resulting jet unaffordable at least for me. If I were in the market for a new $5 million airplane, which I'm not, I'd rather have the Hondajet than the PC12. But I also understand why others have different needs and opinions.

This is a great question. If you live in California do you need to fly to NYC nonstop? Its all really relative. I would like to have a 1500 mile range so I could reliably go to the east coast and come back with no stops either way. But realistically I only do those trips 3-4 times a year. An 800 mile range, while it looks paltry, would get my missions done 90% of the time. While a 1500 mile range would be nice it would make the resulting jet unaffordable at least for me. If I were in the market for a new $5 million airplane, which I'm not, I'd rather have the Hondajet than the PC12. But I also understand why others have different needs and opinions.

There is too much value pricing in increasing the cost as range increases.

More range requires more fuel in a longer wing with a bit larger engine to carry it. That should not add millions to the price.

People fly coast to coast in CJ size tubes all the time with fuel stops. A SP certified 6 place coast to coast light jet for $5 million would be a hot seller. In fact too hot for Cessna to do it.

I never understood - why wouldn't "anyone want to go LA to NY direct" in a SP jet when we do it all the time as passengers on commercial? Like we're talking about some huge physical ordeal here with a 5 hr flight or something.

Anyone who makes a continental crossing SP jet will make a bl**dy killing. The range is embarrassing on all the SP's today. You can never have enough range. Besides, empty tanks don't weigh a thing - just add them!

This is the one reason I keep dreaming of a Commander 695/Jetprop 1000 as the ultimate goal for myself. 300kts, 2080nm range. You put that into real world and there is not many single SP jets that can beat it, door to door in time. And that's burning twice as much fuel. Maybe the SJ30, maybe the Hondajet, maybe the CJ4, but just barely and if you're real quick with the re-fuel.

Payload is an equal consideration. Yes, 1500nm would be nice but not if it'll only do it with 2 people on board. PC12 will do it with a full boat.

Squished into a a seat on Delta with fat guy on either side is considered "riding in a big tube"?

I'd go around the world in a HondaJet if it gave me over 2000NM range. I've crossed the US in the PC12 at least 10 times now. It's way better than commercial. Anyone telling you otherwise hasn't done it.

Did you read my "LA to Atlanta non-stop" thread?

Squished into a a seat on Delta with fat guy on either side is considered "riding in a big tube"?

I'd go around the world in a HondaJet if it gave me over 2000NM range. I've crossed the US in the PC12 at least 10 times now. It's way better than commercial. Anyone telling you otherwise hasn't done it.

Did you read my "LA to Atlanta non-stop" thread?

Owner pilots will. They get to sit up front.

Executive freight won't to the same degree. I recall Nolan Bushnell (founder Atari, Chuck e Cheese) said flying in their Lear jet SJC to TEB was like spending 5 hours in a phone booth.

SP jets are not so much for executive freight, they target owner pilots to a larger degree.

Mike C.