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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID  Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 02:33 |
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Mark stop egging me on  You know I want one, ain't gonna do it!!!! Need to graduate to a turboprop first. Doing exactly what you told me to!!
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 02:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mark stop egging me on You know I want one, ain't gonna do it!!!! Need to graduate to a turboprop first. Doing exactly what you told me to!! Ha! Problem is you can get a jet for the price of a turbo prop...actually less. Market anamoly. Queue the "ya but what about the operating cost" posts in 3, 2, 1.. C 
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 10:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mark stop egging me on You know I want one, ain't gonna do it!!!! Need to graduate to a turboprop first. Doing exactly what you told me to!! Buy a turboprop and always look forward to a jet... Buy a jet, and never look back! 
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 10:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jason,
The company I now fly for said the same thing and upgraded from a 2006 CJ3 to 2014 XLS+ . They bypassed the Encore as wasn't a big improvement in Cabin /performance for the price.
Nigel But what if you're just buying your first jet? Is there a reason to choose and Encore over a CJ3? Why would I pick one over the other? The CJ3 costs more to acquire I think. CJ4 is out. I think it costs a lot more to run than a CJ3 but not much more benefit. Even the CJ sales guys tell me this.
Encore is traditional 500 series fuselage with newer trailing link gear and Primus 1000 avionics. I think you have to go to the Encore + for FADEC. Both have PWC 535A series engines w 5000 hr TBO. They are very expensive to overhaul. Although you can fly them single pilot with an exemption, some may not like the 5 day recurrent every year to do so. The Encore,to me, represents the very best iteration of the 500 series. Heated leading edges etc. I have owned and or operated CJs, 500,501,550,551 and 560s. I personally think the best bang is the Citation V Ultra. However, In your case, a CJ3 gives you single pilot, good avionics, good fuel specifics, excellent exterior baggage, good fuel specifics. Cost used Prob 4.5 mil and up. Most CJs are on engine program so you pay as you go. Only consider TAP on CJs. Not JSSI. Most JT15D powered Citations are not on an engine program. The engines are fairly bulletproof and there are several choices for MRO on JT15Ds. There are so many variables that this could go on forever. I'm in Mexico now. Flight track me.N135WC. Ultra. True AS @ FL400 is 430kts. Headwind was 70-80-90 knots. I departed w 4800lbs fuel, landed with 1350lbs. 7 onboard. Still way under MGTOW. Over all weather. It's a hoss. Prob buy the nicest one for 2mil or less.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 11:14 |
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Can the Ultra direct climb to higher flight levels from a MTOW takeoff or does it need to step climb like the older citations?
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 11:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Buy a jet, and never look back! Actually, sometimes there is an overwhelming desire to look back in the jet... but it's mostly just to check out your contrails! Sorry, couldn't resist. John IV
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 12:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: Can the Ultra direct climb to higher flight levels from a MTOW takeoff or does it need to step climb like the older citations? In the V we climbed directly to FL430. Not quite at gross; about 1,000 under. The last few thousand were less than 1,000 FPM, but we didn't have to step climb. Maybe full on a hot day one might need to. Encore would do a bit better.
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