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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II  Posted: 28 Feb 2016, 22:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Great trip! Sounds like you were light or it was cold. Heavy and hot I stay in the mid 30s. Tailwind sure helps a trip like that. Must have been VMC at destination. I'd sure want more fuel IFR with low ceilings and fuel to alternate.
These things are really great at times like this one! Two souls. -45C at 390 VMC at destination. Nearest alternate 60miles away. I was good with an 800 lb reserve. Delighted with 1100. If the field was IMC I would have stopped for fuel.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Feb 2016, 22:28 |
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One thing that I really didn't like about the 500, 550's I flew was the ride. In turbulence it was quite a wild ride. I suppose it is a direct tie to the low wing loading.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Feb 2016, 22:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: One thing that I really didn't like about the 500, 550's I flew was the ride. In turbulence it was quite a wild ride. I suppose it is a direct tie to the low wing loading. More bumpy than swept for sure. But in 250 hours in the last year the number of hours in bumpy conditions of note < 2. Maybe I have just been lucky.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Feb 2016, 23:10 |
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Maybe I was unlucky.  I flew this one ratty old 500 that had very worn seat belts. I would cinch them down when entering weather, but they would slowly loosen, which inevitably, would lead to a crack in the head.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 07:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe I was unlucky. I flew this one ratty old 500 that had very worn seat belts. I would cinch them down when entering weather, but they would slowly loosen, which inevitably, would lead to a crack in the head. Battle scars 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 03 Mar 2016, 07:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jets suck fuel down low! Well, unless you buy an SF50 where you don't know that... Andrew
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 03 Mar 2016, 08:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: unless you buy an SF50 Any of the VLJs really. An Eclipse would do a 419 nm trip limited to FL270 in 1:15 at maximum continuous thrust, burning 112.5 gallons, saving 58% of the fuel burned. Slowing to long range cruise would make the savings 63%. We occasionally use "turboprop mode" in the Eclipse when confronted with lower altitude trips. in that plane, if you're confined to a turboprop altitude, accepting a turboprop speed gives a turboprop fuel burn with speed and fuel burn fairly similar to that of a TBM at the same altitude Ken
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 13:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Landing 21 at Sedona.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/Hquak9Bnyz0[/youtube] Awesome video  Was that a little wind shear when you cross the bluff?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 17:25 |
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Mark, Good work! Can you tell me how in the world you got an applause after landing a Citation? I've been told that 'that's just the way the land'. My landings are more like firm arrivals.  Master, how do you do it? You guys got me motivated so I did my CE500 type last month and this is a video of my first V1 cut. Not perfect, I made two mistakes - 1. I shouldn't have removed my hands from the throttles while my PM was setting the power. 2. I shouldn't have called for the YD (early during training, I didn't know the YD didn't throw in trim for you - like the PC12). I should have manually trimmed it out or just held the rudder. [youtube]https://youtu.be/Xaa2A9uC_f8[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 20:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mark, Good work! Can you tell me how in the world you got an applause after landing a Citation? I've been told that 'that's just the way the land'. My landings are more like firm arrivals. Master, how do you do it? You guys got me motivated so I did my CE500 type last month and this is a video of my first V1 cut. Not perfect, I made two mistakes - 1. I shouldn't have removed my hands from the throttles while my PM was setting the power. 2. I shouldn't have called for the YD (early during training, I didn't know the YD didn't throw in trim for you - like the PC12). I should have manually trimmed it out or just held the rudder. Nice job! The Citations really handle V1 cuts nicely! You flew the airplane, which is exactly what you should do.
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