So you wanted non-fusion B200 but now you are shopping C90 GTi/GTX?

Why do they care about panel variances if they are paying pro pilots?

Yes, C90GTi (PL-21) or non Fusion C90GTx (PL-21)

Or ideally one that already has a G1000 installed.

We can replace the Proline 21 with G1000NXi, my client wants ATAL.

The you may find a purple horned unicorn before you find what you’re describing, no ATAL for the 90s

The you may find a purple horned unicorn before you find what you’re describing, no ATAL for the 90s

I agree with you there, I inquired with the program director at Garmin who said on 7/26/23 there are no plans for the ATAL on the 90 series.....

I hope he's wrong

For those following along at home, ATAL is “auto-throttle and auto-land.”

https://www.flyingmag.com/watch-we-fly- ... g-air-200/

I agree with you there, I inquired with the program director at Garmin who said on 7/26/23 there are no plans for the ATAL on the 90 series.....

I hope he's wrong

Any CE-525 rated pilot can fly an M2 with a differences course. These are relatively simple courses.

If you directed your client away from an M2 because of this, you gave them bad advice. There are a lot of CE-525 typed pilots out there who could become M2 current with fairly small effort.

My mentor pilot for my 560 had never flown a 560 but had a CE-500 rating from flying a Bravo as his day job. He completed the differences course and was legal to fly my 560. A differences course is all that is required when the planes share the same basic type rating.

If you have your client fly in a King Air 90 on a brutal winter headwind day, and then the M2, you wouldn't be looking for a King Air any more. I never understand why people pay so much money for those things to sometimes fly well under 200 knots groundspeed.

Mike C.

In 3 years of flying weekly, I’ve never seen less than 200KT GS in cruise

If winds aloft are 40-50kt, I can simply fly lower at reduced throttle- for example I can fly at 3000AGL if winds require it and still see 200-210KT+ GS on 260-270lb/engine

Not following you here. The market determines perceived value, so if the value was perceived higher, the M2 would costs more. If they are the same, then the perceived value is the same. What am I missing?

Any CE-525 rated pilot can fly an M2 with a differences course. These are relatively simple courses.

If you directed your client away from an M2 because of this, you gave them bad advice. There are a lot of CE-525 typed pilots out there who could become M2 current with fairly small effort.

My mentor pilot for my 560 had never flown a 560 but had a CE-500 rating from flying a Bravo as his day job. He completed the differences course and was legal to fly my 560. A differences course is all that is required when the planes share the same basic type rating.

If you have your client fly in a King Air 90 on a brutal winter headwind day, and then the M2, you wouldn't be looking for a King Air any more. I never understand why people pay so much money for those things to sometimes fly well under 200 knots groundspeed.

Mike C.

Not following you here. The market determines perceived value, so if the value was perceived higher, the M2 would costs more. If they are the same, then the perceived value is the same. What am I missing?

I kind of get what you are saying. But the market determines perceived value. Those numbers would determine the perceived value. If the M2 flew Mach 0.92 for 3000 nm, burning only 400 gallons, and costing only 1.5 mil to build... It would be selling in multiples of current prices, regardless of how expensive the manufacturing cost. At least seems that way to me. I think the reason that SETPs hold their values so well, is a reflection of their perceived value. How the perception is determined would be an interesting study, but a very complex formula with innumerable variables.

Sorry for my brevity and any confusion that it might’ve caused. What I’m saying is that over the last several years Textron has gravitated to selling M2‘s instead of King Air‘s, because of that, the King Air Market is a lot tighter because of lack of inventory. Less inventory means higher prices.

We have 4 C90A’s. We looked at getting an M2. Textron flew one out and gave a couple rides to partners. We decided they with our short legs, short, ice contaminated runways, as well as the cost of an M2, it made more sense to stick with the King Airs.