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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 15:25 |
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Joined: 12/17/13 Posts: 6692 Post Likes: +6006 Location: Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA
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Hard question to answer - I haven't flown mine so I have hard time attributing costs to it yet, and it's also a -1 which skews differently. Patrick Kenney here flies a 690A, but he's also pretty new to it, Steve Binnette has a 980, but that's got the -10. I have a rough idea from other's I've talked to, though. 690's are about $1000/hr planes on average. You might get down to $650/hr if all goes very well, or it could be a $1500/hr plane if you have some rough luck.
A factory 100hr or 150hr phase inspection probably be in the $10-20K region. Every 5 years you have the gear, that's another $15K. Prop overhauls vary if you have Dowty or Hartzell, but they tend to be roughly $10K/side.
The only really scary costs (I'm excluding SB's/AD's here as probably most of them are now done) - costs that are considerably higher compared to equivalent part on a piston - would be:
1. Fuel Control Unit (about $28K/side) 2. Environmental system if you had to replace system completely or it couldn't be repaired (good thing, the 690A's and B's has the best Fairchild system). 3. Front heated windows. $45K a pop. Not kidding. You can find used, but still gonna be expensive.
Everything else is pretty much on par with what they would cost on a high end cabin class piston plane.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 17:12 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 1910 Post Likes: +927 Location: KCMA
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I just had my 150hr inspection done at Naples Jet center. It was 13k, they are one of the premier commander shops.
With any of these older TP it depends, with that said I don't expect to spend any more than I did on my 421.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 17:37 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 1910 Post Likes: +927 Location: KCMA
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I think you might be able to get into that plane for cheaper than advertised.
The -5 are great airplanes but not respected by the marketplace.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 15:34 |
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Joined: 01/16/12 Posts: 610 Post Likes: +279 Location: London
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Username Protected wrote: I think you might be able to get into that plane for cheaper than advertised.
The -5 are great airplanes but not respected by the marketplace. Yes, I've seen a not dissimilar -10 690A for not a whole lot more asking price... http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... ander-690aFor me, I'm very happy with the -5s, but, only as part of the package I purchased, I see the argument that Bruce Byerly makes that the -10s are actually cheaper, even though meaningfully more dollars. I got a pimped out glass cockpit, with a very nice paint job and with -5s, so I think I got a very good deal. But -10 performance and a worse panel might have been a better deal... I think all these twin commander turbine planes look like a good deal relative to pressurized piston twins, with their turboed, possibly geared engines banging away. I know which I'd rather be in over the freezing cold waters of the North Atlantic or with my family in the back. Turbines are much cooler, too Speed and performance are addictive, though... I'm new to being up a bit higher and faster but I can already see where I'd love to replace the 20s for the 40s in terms of flight levels, and swap 265ktas for 400+ I'm thinking TW with his Learjet 35A might really be onto something... Edit: I have issues... I'm dreaming of something faster, always, so maybe less positive on my aircraft than I might have been after an afternoon not spent researching Learjets. I need to mention I really see nothing vaguely as compelling for sub 500k or sub 400k, in terms of performance relative to a -5 turbo commander. I will take you for a ride and you will be hooked, from a pilot perspective.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 16:22 |
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Joined: 12/17/13 Posts: 6692 Post Likes: +6006 Location: Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA
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Took a little ride with Steve yesterday in his gorgeous 980. He was kind enough to fly me up to see my old antique. Camarillo to Stockton and back. ATC gave us direct straight out of the bat and in no time whatsoever we were at FL280. Just before us was a brand new TBM 900/930 on a conforming flight (they do final deliveries at CMA), and we left him in the dust in the climb. He was panting at 9700ft when we were climbing through 12000ft overtaking him... Steve has spared no expense on his 980. It started out as a bankruptcy sale that had been sitting for awhile, unloved, but now it's like factory new. New engines, new paint, new interior, new panel - you name it. Very impressive plane. I'm extremely jealous. Pictorial:
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 16:48 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 1910 Post Likes: +927 Location: KCMA
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Username Protected wrote: Weak, but... Beginning of my trip report: I'm waiting around the FBO at Camarillo in the early evening to meet the ferry pilot I will be flying with across the Atlantic and a guy lands and rolls up in this - Royal Duke. Turns out he owns a couple of them... Keep it coming Patrick. What was the ferry pilots name?
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 16:51 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 1910 Post Likes: +927 Location: KCMA
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Adam it was fun to finally meet Morris. Thanks for the introduction.
I think you read the TAS to soon it eventually settle somewhere in the mid 290kt range. It just takes a while to get the last 10kts.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 16:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Weak, but... Beginning of my trip report: I'm waiting around the FBO at Camarillo in the early evening to meet the ferry pilot I will be flying with across the Atlantic and a guy lands and rolls up in this - Royal Duke. Turns out he owns a couple of them... Keep it coming Patrick. What was the ferry pilots name? Tom Lopes, out of Merced, outstanding fellow, owns a -10 690 and manages a -5, if I remember correctly. I brought home a prehistoric cold virus out of the melting glacier ice in Greenland, which has knocked out my whole family and our helpers, so I'm poor on the trip updates. Haven't flown yet since landing at Cannes Mandelieu a week ago and we've come close to running out of tissues multiple times.... Edit: To be clear, the ferry pilot and the dude who credibly claimed to run acouple of turbine dukes have no connection, it was just a good sighting while I was waiting around.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 16:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Adam it was fun to finally meet Morris. Thanks for the introduction.
I think you read the TAS to soon it eventually settle somewhere in the mid 290kt range. It just takes a while to get the last 10kts. Thanks for ride! Yes, speed did go up, I just didn't have a pic of it so didn't want to be called a liar... 
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 17:25 |
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Joined: 12/17/13 Posts: 6692 Post Likes: +6006 Location: Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Ahhh Adam, You like live in Hollywood, you are in the "industry" and are a Director and what do we get.... Stills really? Where's the video man? Nice job when is your going to done.  Ha, I got some video of it, just need to edit it and color correct (I am in the industry after all)... Mine is getting final engine rigging done next week. Hope that's the end of it. So sick of talking about it almost being done, so I won't. 
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Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 11:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: The type has an undeserved reputation continually reinforced by the ignorant.Mike C.
I understand you frustration. There is so much misinformation regarding the MU-2 from non-MU-2 pilots it is sad. The MU-2 is as safe as any plane if flown by the book. Sure, it is more demanding but no more dangerous than any other plane and I believe it still has the #1 support program for what the last 15+ years? Pretty impressive in itself for an out of production aircraft. Credit to Mitsubishi Industries.
Commanders are also an amazing plane with great support (hats off to Twin Commander Aircraft), versatility, performance and economy. You can't go wrong with either a Commander or MU-2.
My opinion is Fly responsibly, know your limitations, the cockpit is no place for an ego, stay current, pre-flight every single flight, read your checklist out loud for all stages, fly the book, train train train and you will enjoy the gift we all love and share for many years regardless what you fly.
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