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We put over 500 hours on the Pilatus last year and 150 on the G36. We need 2 planes so I'm looking for a turbine replacement for the Bonanza.

Yeah, that's a lot of flying.

I'd spend the $1MM+ on a Mustang before I'd buy a Meridien.


If you're talking about a ~$1.3M+ Meridian vs. a $1.5M+ Mustang, I would say the overall total cost of ownership are close enough (within 20%) to cause one to seriously consider a Mustang, if you can make the stretch.

However, if you're talking a scenario of taking a Meggitt Meridian and dropping in a G600 / GTN750s, you're now comparing an ~$800K Meridian vs. at least a $1.5M Mustang. The total cost of ownership in that case is now a much bigger spread (~1.5X) and if the mission was a fit, the Meridian could be a good choice.

Both have very good cost per mile. For many, the acquisition cost is the biggest barrier and $500K or more difference in price can play a huge role.
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Going to resurrect this thread. Two years later I'm seeing 80 meridians on controller. Looks like a late model G1000 machine can be had for 1.3ish. Staring to look like a good value to me. G1000 TBM at least 1 million more.


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Yeah, yeah. I know what Luke said he was thinking and I agree w/ what you're saying.

I'm suggesting that he also consider a a better value play in a older model with some avionics upgrades. If you're married to G1000, then you're going to pay to play. Personally, I despise losing $$ in depreciation costs and if I could reduce acquisition costs (and hence depreciation costs) by 50% and yet still get most of the same capabilities, then I'm interested.

If Luke thinks he can afford 1 $1.5M purchase cost and also afford to operate turbine, then a Mustang is a very attractive choice.

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Personally I think the G600 and GTNs is a better setup than the G1000

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Personally I think the G600 and GTNs is a better setup than the G1000


Curious why you think that Adam?


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Personally I think the G600 and GTNs is a better setup than the G1000


Curious why you think that Adam?


Easily ugrade to latest technology. Not beholden to airframe mfr for every software update.

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Exactly, also the GTN navigation interface is much faster and easier to use. Knob twisting seems arcane once you have touch screen. It's like going back from an iPad to a 496.

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Personally I think the G600 and GTNs is a better setup than the G1000

No way. No GFC700 and that's the number 1 reason to do any of it.

A sub $1.5MM Mustang is by far the most bang for the buck and the plane that will hold it's value the most. It's worth the stretch.

The touch screen is nice though.


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Yeah the GFC700 is the best autopilot for sure. It's not a big thing for me though, even my old C-IV will fly a perfectly coupled LPV or ILS and most of the time I hand fly it anyway. If Garmin offered a retrofit autopilot there really would be no reason to get a G1000 anymore, it's 10 year old tech. I don't understand why they still sell new planes with it when the G3000 is available.

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Yeah the GFC700 is the best autopilot for sure. It's not a big thing for me though, even my old C-IV will fly a perfectly coupled LPV or ILS and most of the time I hand fly it anyway. If Garmin offered a retrofit autopilot there really would be no reason to get a G1000 anymore, it's 10 year old tech. I don't understand why they still sell new planes with it when the G3000 is available.

You have to take the market and resale into consideration. "What you can live with" isn't where the market is going. A factory Garmin integrated jet with low hours and Cessna support is a no brainer over a retrofit older turboprop airframe. It's worth spending an extra $500K. It's a jet. I don't think Mustang pricing will ever go lower than where it is.

You ever try to squeeze in the front seat of a Merdien? It looks ridiculous.


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Mustang for 1.5, that would be very nice!

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You have to take the market and resale into consideration. "What you can live with" isn't where the market is going. A factory Garmin integrated jet with low hours and Cessna support is a no brainer over a retrofit older turboprop airframe. It's worth spending an extra $500K. It's a jet. I don't think Mustang pricing will ever go lower than where it is.

You ever try to squeeze in the front seat of a Merdien? It looks ridiculous.


When they finally do update to the g3000 though those g1000's will take a big hit because they're basically not upgradable, there goes your 500k. The Meridian is going to be much closer to Bonanza operating costs than the twin engine jet ...

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There are 30 Mustangs for sale on Controller asking $1.7-$2.7 but most say "CALL". Start throwing offers. You'll get there.


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When they finally do update to the g3000 though those g1000's will take a big hit because they're basically not upgradable, there goes your 500k. The Meridian is going to be much closer to Bonanza operating costs than the twin engine jet ...

G3000 has been out and G3000 equipped planes have a higher new sales price than the G1000 predecessors. G3000 is awesome but it's a different and much more expensive airplane.

All new planes since about 2005 have fully integrated avionics and are not upgradable so it's not like you're really having to compete with that option. "Choice of avionics" is not available and "integrated" is the standard in the industry.

Yes the Mustang will have higher opex but it's also going a lot faster. But yes, no doubt more expensive to run. But I'd still take it.


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I'd rather have the Mustang too, but if I was going to drop 1.2 or 1.3m and wanted lower opex than a twin engine jet I'd get something like this: http://www.controller.com/listingsdetai ... 388565.htm

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