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					| Username Protected wrote: Well, it would have to outflow at the same rate as O2 coming in. 6 people would use about 3 liters a minute. That sounds doable. Can a cabin only leak  that
 Much, i doubt it.
 If you're using outside air to separate (you'd kinda have to), then you only have to outflow the 20% that represents the oxygen that you "generate".  The nitrogen gets dumped overboard.  Of course if you do this you're also dumping some of your freshly generated oxygen too.  Then there are the CO2 scrubbers that have to be maintained or replaced regularly.  Imagine the average shade-tree experimental owner diligently replacing scrubbers.I think that is what i said.
 
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: Peter is not some harmless and amusing village idiot, he is dangerous not only to himself but potentially to others. I suppose in the context of aviation, we all pose some risk to others.  If you mean that he's a risk to those who might actually buy something he designs, well, that seems more like Darwin at work to me._________________
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					| Username Protected wrote: Peter is not some harmless and amusing village idiot, he is dangerous not only to himself but potentially to others. I suppose in the context of aviation, we all pose some risk to others.  If you mean that he's a risk to those who might actually buy something he designs, well, that seems more like Darwin at work to me.
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					| Airplane is a pretty loose definition in the experimental world.It flew.
 
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: Airplane is a pretty loose definition in the experimental world.It flew.
 I have found the community to be surprisingly concerned with safety and engineering. The types that would endeavor to built their own airplane for no reason other than the enjoyment of it tend to be pretty smart guys. An average Vans (or even Zenith) is probably better engineered and built, given modern tools and FEA/CFD, than older certified designs. I would feel safer in an average homebuilt RV than in a 60+ year old Beechcraft developed on a drafting board and certified under CAR part 3. I'm sure there are some nutcases in there too, but they seem to be the minority, and being a nutcase makes your chance of actually completing an airplane slim, and selling one even smaller.  I have no concerns Peter is going to be successful and sell someone a kit that actually gets completed and signed off – just not going to happen.
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: He wants to believe something, and he ignores all data that disagrees with the conclusion he started with. Based on recent events, a significant fraction of the population has similar problems when it comes to understanding epidemiology. Peter is not some harmless and amusing village idiot, he is dangerous not only to himself but potentially to others. Mike C.I don't get the "dangerous to others part".  That would only be true if he actually made and sold some airplanes, something that seems pretty unlikely.
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					| Username Protected wrote: Airplane is a pretty loose definition in the experimental world.It flew.
 I have found the community to be surprisingly concerned with safety and engineering. The types that would endeavor to built their own airplane for no reason other than the enjoyment of it tend to be pretty smart guys. An average Vans (or even Zenith) is probably better engineered and built, given modern tools and FEA/CFD, than older certified designs. I would feel safer in an average homebuilt RV than in a 60+ year old Beechcraft developed on a drafting board and certified under CAR part 3. I'm sure there are some nutcases in there too, but they seem to be the minority, and being a nutcase makes your chance of actually completing an airplane slim, and selling one even smaller.  I have no concerns Peter is going to be successful and sell someone a kit that actually gets completed and signed off – just not going to happen.
 I agree with this assessment of the experimental community. I started my EAB project about 3 years ago and along the way have gotten to know a bunch of homebuilders and the local EAA chapter. Pretty much across the board, they are all craftsmen and do very high-quality work. In many ways, they are better than A&Ps and the OEM factories simply because they don't really care how long things take.
 
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: I don't get the "dangerous to others part".  That would only be true if he actually made and sold some airplanes, something that seems pretty unlikely. Ask the corn. And that wasn't the first time he had trouble in the air. Mike C._________________
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					| Username Protected wrote: .....Ask the corn.Why????  You think it's gonna listen???  Might as well ask a woman......and for the same reason!!!!!
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					| Username Protected wrote: Why????  You think it's gonna listen???  Might as well ask a woman......and for the same reason!!!!! You're a brave man to post that, even in green.  Does your wife read BT?_________________
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					| Username Protected wrote: Does your wife read BT?I think you spelled “future ex-wife” wrong!_________________
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					| Username Protected wrote: Why????  You think it's gonna listen???  Might as well ask a woman......and for the same reason!!!!! You're a brave man to post that, even in green.  Does your wife read BT?
 
 No, she doesn’t.  I may be a hick Okie, but I aren’t that slow!!!  Besides, after 26 years, she’d say the same as me, “Has ears, doesn’t listen!”………just like corn!
 
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: There is no DER alive that would sign that thing off. A DAR signed off on the first one.   
 
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