BeechTalk - BT - The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Apr 2020, 23:29

Username Protected wrote:

Jay,

It is the quietest airplane I have ever been in in 45 years of airline, corporate and private flying. This includes Falcons, CJ's, M2, and waaaaay quieter than any other turboprop. Think sedan Mercedes quiet with a low whine from the engines.

Wow. Thats very impressive. Even in the back?

I would expect it to be somewhat quieter in the cockpit (farther from the engines), but maybe wind noise, what little there is, replaces engine noise?

And will your paint job include the Dallas Cowboys Star like your MU2 did?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Apr 2020, 23:46

Username Protected wrote:

Jay,

It is the quietest airplane I have ever been in in 45 years of airline, corporate and private flying. This includes Falcons, CJ's, M2, and waaaaay quieter than any other turboprop. Think sedan Mercedes quiet with a low whine from the engines.

Wow. Thats very impressive. Even in the back?

I would expect it to be somewhat quieter in the cockpit (farther from the engines), but maybe wind noise, what little there is, replaces engine noise?

And will your paint job include the Dallas Cowboys Star like your MU2 did?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2020, 00:22

As a die hard Eagle, I have to hate the star........but the rest of the scheme looks good! I’ve seen that plane across the runway at IJI a time or two, and always wondered whose it was.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2020, 21:57

You can sit in the last seat and talk to the pilots in a normal voice. It’s oddly quiet up high. Zero prop noise. The door seal or the hvac sound is most of the noise.

You can not compare it to other prop planes. Nothing is even close. It is much more similar to a car on the highway vs an airplane. I fly a good chunk of cruise with the cabin speaker on and no headset.

I flew a Honda jet on a short flight a few years ago and I swear this is quieter at cruise. HJ was quieter on the ground though.

The cabin being 5’8” also makes it very different from other single pilot planes. The back feels like a big airplane. Combine the size with the quiet and absolutely zero vibration and it adds up to a low fatigue airplane. Descending from fl400 to Denver, the cabin changed 500’.

One knock is the heat leaves something to be desired at night in the upper 30s. The AC is fantastic though and runs off the gpu. Makes startup in hot weather much nicer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 10 May 2020, 14:12

The more I study this aircraft, the more amazing it is.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 10 May 2020, 19:58

Well the full corrosion check has been completed and the interior materials ordered. Also began the panel restoration to glass.....

New Hot Sections completed and being hung next week.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 10 May 2020, 21:31

Geeez Mark. Those are some pictures. I hope you are okay. These pictures make me think the family should not see the patient on the operating table. I'm sure they will get it all back together right. They do an amazing job and I give them credit for it.!!! :thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 10 May 2020, 23:53

Is your airplane in Tulsa, Mark?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 May 2020, 10:13

Username Protected wrote:

Is your airplane in Tulsa, Mark?

Yes, at Intercontinental Jet.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 May 2020, 12:46

Username Protected wrote:

Is your airplane in Tulsa, Mark?

Yes, at Intercontinental Jet.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 May 2020, 22:30

Working with Joe Hensley?[/quote]

Yes and Mark James...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 May 2020, 23:21

I am drooling over this thread.

I have on question on the avanti. Do you have ice doors like a king air that you must open and close depending on icing conditions? With the engines mounted backwards it got me thinking if ice doors were necessary.

Thanks!
Patrick

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2020, 05:59

Username Protected wrote:

Working with Joe Hensley?

Yes and Mark James...[/quote]

Say hi to Joe for me

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2020, 07:04

Username Protected wrote:

I have on question on the avanti. Do you have ice doors like a king air that you must open and close depending on icing conditions? With the engines mounted backwards it got me thinking if ice doors were necessary.

Yes, they are there.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 May 2020, 09:40

In my past conversations with mechanics, those that worked on both PC12 and Avanti's they stated that the Avanti was a lot more maintenance intensive. Any truth to this vicious rumor?