BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jan 2017, 16:58

Since most of us think Cirrus will improve the SF50 over the next few years, like they did for the SR22. (You can debate the "value" of the improvements all you want, but the market has spoken).

So any bets on what will be first series of improvements for the SF50?

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jan 2017, 17:12

Username Protected wrote:

Since most of us think Cirrus will improve the SF50 over the next few years, like they did for the SR22. (You can debate the "value" of the improvements all you want, but the market has spoken).

So any bets on what will be first series of improvements for the SF50?

Tim

A second engine so it can fly higher and be safer........ :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jan 2017, 14:04

Username Protected wrote:

Since most of us think Cirrus will improve the SF50 over the next few years, like they did for the SR22. (You can debate the "value" of the improvements all you want, but the market has spoken).

So any bets on what will be first series of improvements for the SF50?

Tim

A second engine so it can fly higher and be safer........ :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jan 2017, 19:04

Why would they improve it when they could simply offer some "alternative facts" about it's performance? :hide:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jan 2017, 18:00

Username Protected wrote:

Why would they improve it when they could simply offer some "alternative facts" about it's performance? :hide:

Good one.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 01:13

For a new airplane that is now, supposedly, out in the wild, awfully quiet...

FAA registry shows only 3 planes "delivered" so far:

#0006, N1WA
#0007, N9943H
#0008, N730FA

They all appear to be Flightaware trackable and they do fly quite a bit, but KDLH and KTYS are extremely popular in the flight plans suggesting that perhaps the planes are not truly released for general use.

The three planes above were registered on Jan 11, 12, and 13.

Curiously, the TCDS, A00018CH, says only serial numbers #0004 through #0008 are eligible under the type certificate. At the very least, the TC will have to be revised for subsequent serials.

Serial #0004 N252CV and #0005 N253CV are the test airplanes, not to be delivered to customers.

The TC shows no production basis, each plane has to be conformity checked by the FAA. Real production requires a production certificate to be effective. Maybe that is in the works for serial #0009 and subsequent.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 08:00

Such obstacles are too much for Cirrus to overcome. They will now, no doubt, cash in their chips, close up shop, and hightail it out of town.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 10:24

Username Protected wrote:

For a new airplane that is now, supposedly, out in the wild, awfully quiet...

FAA registry shows only 3 planes "delivered" so far:

#0006, N1WA
#0007, N9943H
#0008, N730FA

They all appear to be Flightaware trackable and they do fly quite a bit, but KDLH and KTYS are extremely popular in the flight plans suggesting that perhaps the planes are not truly released for general use.

The three planes above were registered on Jan 11, 12, and 13.

Curiously, the TCDS, A00018CH, says only serial numbers #0004 through #0008 are eligible under the type certificate. At the very least, the TC will have to be revised for subsequent serials.

Serial #0004 N252CV and #0005 N253CV are the test airplanes, not to be delivered to customers.

The TC shows no production basis, each plane has to be conformity checked by the FAA. Real production requires a production certificate to be effective. Maybe that is in the works for serial #0009 and subsequent.

Mike C.

Does this differ significantly from other clean sheet jet releases?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 11:17

Serial #6 was here at KTUL the other day. Owner was very generous, and let me climb aboard. I was surprised how roomy it felt. Clock had ~230 hours on it, IIRC, and he informed me that 'Cirrus still uses it for flight demos and data gathering'.

Edited to add photo.....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 11:32

That look is growing on me already!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 11:35

Username Protected wrote:

he informed me that 'Cirrus still uses it for flight demos and data gathering'.

Why?

Who exercises operational control of the aircraft?

I would have been curious to ask what the actual empty weight was.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 11:57

Username Protected wrote:

he informed me that 'Cirrus still uses it for flight demos and data gathering'.

Why?

Who exercises operational control of the aircraft?

I would have been curious to ask what the actual empty weight was.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 13:53

Username Protected wrote:

he informed me that 'Cirrus still uses it for flight demos and data gathering'.

Why?

Who exercises operational control of the aircraft?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 14:23

Username Protected wrote:

Not uncommon for piston Cirrus buyers to purchase the airplane then lease it back to Cirrus to be used for sales demos, etc. I'm unclear on the financial benefits to an owner in that arrangement

The early owners may not have a choice.

Cirrus says let us do that, or we push you further down the delivery schedule and move someone up who will allow it.

I'm certain the first few customers are hand selected for promotional value (witness the delivery ceremony) and don't necessarily represent the first folks to put money down. Cirrus never misses an opportunity to manage the message.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Feb 2017, 14:36

Username Protected wrote:

That look is growing on me already!

Weird, I've been a fan generally, but that photo above looks sorta... I dunno... hunchbacked.

I loved the EA400, and liked this when I saw it at Osh... but that photo angle above is not flattering IMO.

:shrug:

Cirrus SF50