It isn't public knowledge yet how the plane behaves.

Does the plane hold trim speed with power change? It looks like it wouldn't and power would cause a nose down trim change. The main issue will be a go around where the plane goes from low power to high power near the ground. If more power results in more nose down, that would be bad.

The engine has a deflector gizmo in the exhaust stream to try and help straighten out the angled engine effect. Maybe this also helps with the pitch issue.

Mike C.

John,
That is the Wall Street Cocaine intake duct.

I think Cirrus makes a tidy profit on the SR22T at this point. They have the only product in the market and get paid accordingly.
A SR20 retails for 560k and the difference in price between the TSIO550 and the IO360 can't be more than 50k. Throw in their actual cost for purchased items like TKS and AC compressors and they either lose their shirt on every SR20 they sell or they clear 200k additional profit on each SR22T.
So I don't think there is any relation between what they make on a SR22T and what they need to make on a SF50.

So I find it hilarious that the Cirrus bashing is about to break 250 pages...

If Ragwing talk had existed in 1949 when Beech started selling a metal airplane with a V-tail, flat motor and retractable gear there would have been 250 pages of ridiculous flat motor, retractable gear, metal airplane, V-tail bashing. Since the internet was not invented then, at no time in history has longer line of BS endured.

Those that like them will buy them and those who do not, will not, and the sun will rise, tomorrow, and DT will be the new President, and Cirrus will be delivering slow, simple, low altitude jets to people lining up to buy them....

It sounds like a great plan to me, and I wouldn't bet against them.... I'm guessing the Chinese investors are smiling....

And the children of those pilots were poo-pooing the Cessna 'slowtation' when it was certified and deliverd in 1971. All the Learjets would run them over, birds would hit their vertical stab from behind and they would get sucked into the intake of commercial jets on the jetroutes. Why would anyone pay jet money to go that slow. Now Cessna is #1 in business jet deliveries.

I think Cirrus makes a tidy profit on the SR22T at this point. They have the only product in the market and get paid accordingly.
A SR20 retails for 560k and the difference in price between the TSIO550 and the IO360 can't be more than 50k. Throw in their actual cost for purchased items like TKS and AC compressors and they either lose their shirt on every SR20 they sell or they clear 200k additional profit on each SR22T.
So I don't think there is any relation between what they make on a SR22T and what they need to make on a SF50.

Steve,

There are a lot of smart people working at Cirrus Design, and obviously they do "see it."

It'll be fun to watch this play out. You won't buy an SF50, but many will.

That's the thing, they're creating a market

It'll do Shanghai to Wuhan in 1:20 or Shenzen to Hanoi in 1:45. Those are the pairings that will eventually matter.

Efficient.

SF50 isn't.

Did Cessna do this with "innovation"? No. The Citation is just a simple execution of already available technologies.

Mike C.

The market exists. People want an economical personal jet.

The thing that is lacking is delivering a product that works in that market.

Every contender so far has literally innovated its product to death.

Mike C.

Actually, I am pretty sure Cirrus went almost bankrupt a few times during the SR20 and SR22 development. You probably should note that Cirrus did not come as close as they had previously in terms of bankruptcy, but did stop development of the SF50 because of cash flow concerns.

Tim

How many more posts to page 250?

I personally think the SF50 is a rather ugly plane, however I think Cirrus has identified a viable market. Time will tell....

Tim

sort of. The other contenders have tried to make a plane for pilots and engineers that ticks off the boxes that you recite ad naseum. Cirrus takes another tact - they realize that pilots and engineers don't make purchasing decisions. They did it for piston singles and took over the market while "real pilots" sat around scratching their heads about why anyone would buy one. Now they'll do the same for this thing.

I sent a link for the SF50 to a friend yesterday, he said it looks like a sperm whale. My wife said it looks like sperm.


Not sure what to make of these comments.

Tim