Trying to predict the consumer demand for high income individuals or investors is extremely difficult. As income goes up, the predictability goes down since those at the high end don't play by the same supply/demand rules as the majority have to. An example would be most people on BT would never consider buying a new Bonanza since they believe an older one fixed up properly is the "same" as the new one. In real estate, people buy trophy properties that don't make sense economically but they have that "wow" factor and enables the buyers to have bragging rights and get invited to the best parties. It would be an interesting case study to see what went into the buying decision for a Cirrus SF50 buyer.

By that argument, we all should have electric cars with sub 100 mile range.

Cirrus should remove 100 gallons of fuel from the SF50 capacity. This will assure some useful load to put people in the seats (safety wise, much fewer over gross flights), and won't prevent the plane from flying 200 nm which covers 80% of the missions.

Block fuel flow will be around 130 GPH on those 1 hour missions leaving 70 gallons reserve, barely 45 minutes at holding speeds.

Cirrus worked hard to make the SF50 the slowest and lowest jet, so it might be possible, if they try real hard, to reduce its range, too. If SF50 buyers are just there to inflate their ego by flying a toy jet, then it doesn't really matter in the end.

Mike C.

You guys are beating a dead horse over what makes sense financially - an airline ticket.

Airplanes, generally, are about buying what you want, not what makes sense

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Apparently, SF50 buyers want a slow, low, short range, low payload jet reliant on a single engine that costs as much to fly as a real one.

Mike C.

By that argument, we all should have electric cars with sub 100 mile range.

Apparently, SF50 buyers want a slow, low, short range, low payload jet reliant on a single engine that costs as much to fly as a real one.

Mike C.

Apparently, SF50 buyers want a slow, low, short range, low payload jet reliant on a single engine that costs as much to fly as a real one.

Mike C.

Stop looking at PC12s
Look at TBMs, Caravans, Quest, KA....

They all come down in price.

Tim

The point is I'd rather be in the SF50 than the SR22. A new SR22 is still close to a million bucks.

Really? Source?

Are you sure? Think about it, the SF50 is how much larger then the SR22? Not a heck of a lot! So material costs and construction will likely not be such a huge delta.

So then there is avionics and the engine difference. How much is that?

Tim

Hey, if the family wants to leave TEB and go to Charles De Gaul for the weekend, I think we need to compare the SF50 to a G650. I mean it is part of the mission right? How many additional stops will the SF50 have going around the ocean. I mean the weekend will be done by the time you get there.
Obviously, everyone should only buy the G650, everything else is just a waste.

Tim

So easy to say.

We shall see.

remember when the first cirrus came out?

it's made of plastic, hard to repair, it will be uninsurable. No one will buy one

It has a useless parachute eating into an already marginal useful load. No one will buy one

It has fixed gear like a trainer. No one will buy one

A "real pilot" can see all kinds of faults with the cirrus.

It's a real shame that cirrus was never able to sell any SR20/22's owing to these faults.