I doubt it'll be a million less by the time the fixed price option orders are delivered. It'll probably cost right around the same as a M600 and a million less than a TBM900. And yes, that's the market the SF50 is competing for.

I doubt it'll be a million less by the time the fixed price option orders are delivered. It'll probably cost right around the same as a M600 and a million less than a TBM900. And yes, that's the market the SF50 is competing for.

Better avionics??? The M600 has the 3 screen G3000 with a fully glass backup with the Aspen PFD, as well as a dedicated pilots PFD, compared to the 2 screen G3000 and a touchscreen that can be turned on to act as a backup? Plus in addition to the full envelope protection, blue level button, and all the latest Garmin bells and whistles present on the SF50, the M600 has automatic autopilot engagement that will take over and level the plane if it detects that the pilot is out of control. You compare the 2, and tell me which one looks like a turbine class aircraft?

M600



SF50

'Options' as in the current position holders who have a fixed (or CPI adjusted) price because they made a high-risk investment in the projects viability early on. After those positions are delivered, the street price will be higher.

Simpler is better.

Simpler is better.

Both look awesome.

The plus with the SF50 for a lot of buyers over the M600 is CAPS. I know, I know, CAPS is for pussies. But it sure sold a lot of SR22's over TTx.

Chuckle... Couldn't agree with you more Adam, but we've been saying that for 200+ pages and we're still going in circles! Some people appear to get it, some don't. Oh well.

The SF50 will put a dent in the sales of new TBM and M500/600s. It won't touch the CJ sales at all. It also won't have much impact on guys looking to by 30 year old sub $1m turboprops (and hey, I'm in that category!) - It's a different market segment entirely.

I suspect that Cirrus is a lot smarter than many people are giving them credit for (Tom's post about how they educated the insurance market is a great example).

Robert

Could you expound on that comment a little more please

Moving up to a twin jet like a CJ is handful. Very complex systems, and avionics, rattling speed. The bandwidth of a single pilot is limited. The bandwidth of your average GA single pilot with the money to buy these kind of planes, maybe more limited on average than your single pro-pilot. The poor chap that went swimming with his CJ4, would most likely be at home having dinner with his family tonight if he were in a M500/600, SF50 or even his Mustang. Easier to fly and more forgiving airframes. The CJ4 is a handful, even for a single pro-pilot. As planes get faster and more complex, they are harder to fly, especially with any unexpected distraction. I see the SF50 like the Meridian, M600, Eclipse, Mustang, designed from the ground up to be the simplest in their class to fly, even at the expense of performance and other specs. That is value to some.

That is an excellent post, Chuck. And one of the very few that hasn't been said over and over and over.

Project Canada: http://www.oneaviation.aero/canada.html

"Another significant change is that the Garmin G3000 cockpit suite will be standard on the new model. The current IS&S cockpit will be an option. “We’ll let the market decide,” said Klapmeier. The unusual IS&S suite, while capable, is quite different in operating philosophy than most other integrated avionics systems, which has been off-putting to some customers, especially those moving up from Garmin-equipped models."
(From: https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... -announced)

It's really nice. 1400NM. Due beginning of 2018 according to the July 2016 article.

I've always wondered why they didn't build it like this in the first place. I remember looking at the Eclipse back in the day and thinking "I hate the avionics". ha

I could never get past the idea of sidestick. Another reason Cirrii are cold to me. But I wish them all success.

Like the Cirrus, I believe it is a side yoke, not a side stick. The aileron forces are pretty heavy in the Eclipse, need to work out those forearms if you want to hand fly it.